Cycling Mikey

Duckjob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120297069#Comment_120297069

"there's enough reasons for motorists to hate cyclists so why give them another"

I find this an utterly bizarre statement.

On the one hand, you've got somebody endangering lives doing something like charging through the wrong side of traffic island, and on the other you've got somebody delivering a consequence to them for their behavior, which logically has at least the same or better chance of changing their behavior than if they get no consequence.

Any sane person, motorist or otherwise will rightly lay blame at the foot of the person who is wilfully endangering peoples lives for their own selfishness.

The people that point at Mikey or others like him and call him a "grass" are nothing more than overgrown manbabies and womanbabies. They are going to hate cyclists anyway regardless for their own f***ed up reasons so really who gives a crap about not disturbing them.

iwillhtfu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120297517#Comment_120297517

Bizarre in what sense it's pretty self explanatory only this time it can't be described as motorist rhetoric as I probably cycle more than I drive these days.

Also you have taken what I have said out of context and applied it to the Cycling Mikey video which indeed is bizarre.

Anyway I think I'm moving on from this thread and to be honest it has actually been irritating and more annoyingly has me siding with the view of some motorists.

An apt meme for all and sundry 😂

Duckjob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120297582#Comment_120297582

Ok, first of all, I realise now that i incorrectly attributed your comment to Cycling Mikey acts of reporting people, which it wasnt, so apologies for that.

I still take issue with this statement though-

"there's enough reasons for motorists to hate cyclists so why give them another"

What reasons are those?

If a motorist sees a cyclist doing something stupid or dangerous, they can "hate" that person if they want to. Nobody has justification to apply blanket hatred to "cyclists" in general. If they insist on doing that, their mind is f***ed.

I'm not accountable for the behavior of people I don't even know just because I'm riding a bike. Just like I'm not accountable for the behavior of people I don't even know when I'm driving a car.

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120297659#Comment_120297659

Your problem here is trying to apply logic to emotion. That's a battle you won't win. It's a fact that a lot of motorists hate cyclists. It's probably fair to say that in most cases that hatred is completely illogical. However what I think @iwillhtfu (he can correct me if I'm wrong!) was saying is that if you have a large body of motorists with an irrational dislike of cyclists, who will happily overlook the car in front of them who just ploughed through the red light, then me as a cyclist rolling up to the lights and pedalling through just because there was no traffic approaching will to them simply serve as proof that cyclists are a bunch of law breaking c***s... "look!!!! see!!! another one!!! every single time they just cycle through the red lights!!!".

I see myself as traffic so for the most part I obey the laws applying to traffic the same way I do when driving... it would be a bit rich of me to bang on about law-breaking motorists while doing the exact same thing myself. Yes, the potential harm is vastly different, and yes, the laws should be changed to take account of this (allow left on red etc) which I think would take much of the heat out of the issue. But for the time being I don't feel like I can in good conscience pick and choose which fundamental ROTR I'm going to obey and which I expect motorists to obey.

p15574

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120297069#Comment_120297069

Re the pedestrian lights, that's because they're configured to be motorist-centric - pedestrians get tired of waiting for them. They should change immediately the button is pressed, if they haven't changed in the last few minutes (with a couple of seconds delays for the inevitable red-light-jumping motorist). This would ensure a better experience for both pedestrian and motorist.

Cabaal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120300401#Comment_120300401

Funny thing is, you actually see this behaviour with motorists at red lights.

If they take took long to change to green motorists will break them, a perfect example of this is road works traffic lights.

magicbastarder

I heard the theory several times that Kildare Street has the only pedestrian lights in the country which are configured to change as soon as the button is pressed, regardless of where in the sequence the lights are. Needless to say, I've no idea how accurate that is...

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120300401#Comment_120300401

Or better still, leave the green man on permanently, until a motorist presses a button to allow cars through,

Idleater

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120300487#Comment_120300487

The one outside Leinster House changes immediately IIRC.

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120301058#Comment_120301058

Its a weird thing I have only seen in Ireland and nowhere else, where if red lights are there for motorists and no one can legally drive through the pedestrian crossing at the time that the ped lights stay red unless pressed. It is bizarre and occurs nowhere else AFAIK

He posted these stats at the end of his latest video

Impressive

2011abc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120300453#Comment_120300453

A cyclist criticising motorists for breaking red lights ...stones ....glasshouse...

p15574

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120529998#Comment_120529998

Yes, some cyclists break red lights, some motorists do (actually, more motorists do), but I think the ramifications of the latter are much more serious. I doubt if anyone has been killed by a cyclist breaking the lights.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120529998#Comment_120529998

this post is a little weird, not sure whether it's in jest or not.

Cabaal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120530736#Comment_120530736

It's either in jest or beyond silly.

But as a btw, as a motorist and a person who cycles I've never broken red lights in either case.

2011abc

Come on now lads , cyclist are notorious for breaking red lights .I seem to expect this forum to be mostly frequented by racing cyclists but I guess there are plenty of ‘Green Party cyclists’ too.Dont appreciate the cyber stalking /commenting on my posts elsewhere either .A triple mod rounding upon , sheesh !

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120535926#Comment_120535926

They don't pay road tax either!! 🤪🤪

2011abc

Now that IS an old argument which I wouldn’t subscribe to .Not sure if you’re being serious or in jest .But that seems to be common lately .

eeeee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120535953#Comment_120535953

2011abc take a look at the forum charter, specifically point 9 before posting in the Cycling Forum again.

2011abc

9. Event entry requests/offersDo not start any requests in the main forum requesting or offering entries for events such as the WW200, ROK, SKT etc. Do a search in the Cycling Adverts sub-forum. If no thread has alkready been started for a particular event in a particular year you may start one. A single thread should be used for all requests and offers for each event, with priority being given to the earliest poster who is seeking an entry

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120535926#Comment_120535926

It's a point done to death and while regular posters fully acknowledge some cyclists run lights, the same way some motorists do, it is also widely accepted (from actual recorded data) that cyclists in the majority do not run lights and those that do, do so at a far lower level than other road users. Considering the decrease in risk from a cyclist compared to a motorist, followed by the far lower amount of cyclists doing it, it is genuinely a non issue that needs to be dropped.

TLDR it may be a reputation but it isn't actually justified so it does breach the forum rules on negativity towards cyclists in general.

Cabaal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120535926#Comment_120535926

Whats a green party cyclist?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120542973#Comment_120542973

Do they need to be wearing green or would these party cyclists qualify?

2011abc

A ‘Green Party cyclist ‘ will use bike paths , a ‘real’ one will be happy dicing with the traffic down the Quays etc .Maybe (with so many mods around ?) its time to discuss whether cycling as a sport or form of transport belong in the same forum ? Cargo bikes( very Green Party!) and Colnago’s have as much in common as Nissan Leafs and formula 1 cars surely ? Anyway that Mikey fella is the very antithesis of sporting cyclists ( apart from maybe one or two commissaires?)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120544045#Comment_120544045

A ‘Green Party cyclist ‘ will use bike paths , a ‘real’ one will be happy dicing with the traffic down the Quays etc

Jesus wept lol 🤦‍♂️

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120544045#Comment_120544045

I have raced on my commuter and commuted on my racer. I use bike paths when they are suitable and safe, and the road in other scenario's.

As for splitting the forum, it's been voted upon many times with the same reasons coming up and it is typically heavily defeated as the cross over between what you think are two distinct groups is too large.

Feel free to go to the forum request section if you think the tide has changed though. The MTB sub forum has been reasonably successful and I for one opposed it. I am over the moon to be wrong.

magicbastarder

i would like to respond, but my brain has melted. i am off to put it in an ice bath.

cletus

The "No true Scotsman" has to be one of my favourite fallacies...

Cabaal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120544045#Comment_120544045

I own a cargobike which makes me green party cyclist based on your point above. But I dont tend to use cycle lanes which means I'm not a green party cyclist.

Not sure you thought your point through.

iwillhtfu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120530726#Comment_120530726

At the risk of kicking the hornets nest once again. 😁

I'd agree the ramifications of a car passing through a red light are far higher. However to say more motorists break red lights than cyclists, I'd have to disagree. It may be different in more rural areas but if you go to any built up towns or cities it's by far more common for cyclists, typically commuters or delivery guys to be fair to break a red light.

Yes, I'm sure there will be many here, myself included that say they have never done so but in my experience that would put you in the minority.