Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

incorrect

the poster obviously hasn't a clue how the licensing of pharmaceuticals works and how they are allow to market it. The license application comes from the clinical trials ... and if the poster even made a cursory look at the headline results of the original Pfizer trials the actual number of people who contracted and transmitted the virus when on the trail would know that there was never a mention of blocking the transmission.

It's quite clear that the poster had something in his head about the failure of vaccines and no amount of facts or evidence will sway their incorrect opinion.

Lol. You make the accusation that immediately do what you're accusing me of.

Yes. The vaccines give you immunity. Never said different.

You however are "fantasizing about what I meant."

I don't give my opinion about medical matters. I point to the conclusions made by actual experts who use actual evidence to do so.

Notice how you side step you initial misrepresenting of the VAERS data.

Is that a sore spot for you or something?

But it's not statistically zero. There is a higher risk vs. reward ratio for the COVID vaccines than for many other childhood vaccines (i.e. it's more beneficial for a child to be vaccinated against COVID vs. other childhood vaccines just so I'm clear).

Statistically zero means a lot of zeros, people confuse statistically zero with % who have severe outcomes when infected, while low for children, this is more than made up for by the virulence of the virus.

HepB has a relatively high mortality rate but the chances of contracting it are remote, hence the vaccine isn't part of the childhood program (people have to opt in and pay for it).

Great, thanks and where's the part where the EMA granted approval based on "on the specific basis to prevent symptomatic Covid cases"?

Is it just that, or is it a range of factors? If it's a range of factors, what are they?

exactly - so the expectation that it would prevent transmission is based on falsehood. So your assertion only a short while ago is based on false information

I now have no flucking idea what you are trying to say or not say .... so let me get this straight

• you accept that the vaccines would never stop transmissions
• you accept that they have reduced transmissions and serious illness and allowed our healthcare systems still function

• you accept that the vaccines have been very positive in what they were designed to do?

As from you last few posts and circling back I'm not sure what your issue with the vaccine is?

What spin are you referring to specifically?

Spin by who and for what purpose?

Cool. So which posters and which falsehoods have you seen?

I keep pointing this out, because all of you anti-vaxxers keep claiming that the others don't represent you and such, yet not once have any of you ever challenged each other on those lies and mistruths.

I think this shows a fundamental dishonesty in your position.

If you're "just concerned about the vaccines" shouldn't you also want to make sure objections are actually based on truth?

I think you and your mates are more than happy with lies and misinformation, just as long as vaccines and science in general are doubted and you guys get to be the ones smarter than actual experts.

For example, this thread was started by patnor claiming that the VAERS data and similar indicated that the vaccines were more dangerous than was known.

Any comment on this at all?

Christ this is confusing

The spin by who?