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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    To be honest, you would be better off following someone else's programming unless you are very clear that you know how to program correctly.

    I'm training a long time and although I make exercise substitutions based on injuries, or select exercises to address weak points when that's providing for in a program, I still tend to use other people's programming generally, when I understand how it works and I can see that it has stood the test of time and delivered results for others.

    I agree with the general thrust of the argument made by the baby bull elephant above. If you are following a well designed program it should be the right mixture of intensity, volume and frequency to allow you to progress your numbers for a considerable period of time. I don't know what your age and bodyweight is, but, if you're a male, then a 100kg squat should have been a very achievable goal for you for example. There's no inherent risk in increasing loading as often as you can, provided your form does not deteriorate. Remember that as the weight increases you are also physically adapting to it, you should arguably be getting more resilient, not less.

    There's a famous interview where one of the strongest powerlifters to ever live, Ed Coan, was asked how his heaviest deadlift felt like. The interviewee was a lot weaker, and Ed asked him what his heaviest deadlift felt like, and said that for Ed it felt just like that. It's all relative.

    If you followed a beginner's linear progression like Starting Strength, Greyskull LP or StrongLifts you could expect to run that for several months. At that point you could switch to a more intermediate program like 5/3/1 or WS4SB and those are programs that you can run for years at a time, they are very flexible.

    There's a thread on classic beginner programs (which are strength focused but can also work for hypertrophy or athletic development, most of the them) that would be worth digging up.

    If you've been stalled for a while, I would take a little break and go back to the drawing board with one of these and really try to get the most out of it before moving on to something longer term.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Thanks, Black Sheep.

    I'm looking at thefitness.wiki at the moment and might give the beginner program a go:

    I think I'll finally have to learn how to Deadlift and Overhead Press.

    A question about diet. If my diet is mostly ok, can I just add a few sweet treats to increase my calorie intake? Is it just about creating a surplus or is there more going on? Obviously, I can't just switch to coke and chocolate.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    If your goals are to get stronger then you probably don't want to be in a calorie deficit, although a lot of people can still get reasonably far down the road with terrible diets before it catches up with them. I would probably be trying to take in 1g of protein for every lb bodyweight every day, but this is a target that a lot of people generally struggle to meet.

    There's no rule against sweet treats or even being in a calorie surplus if you just mainly want to get stronger. But if you have weight loss or body transformation goals then unfortunately your diet would have to be tighter and it's something most people struggle with, myself included.

    That program you linked to looks like a very stripped down linear progress, you could certainly do it if you are strength oriented. I would also suggest looking at the Starting Strength novice program, although it's not that different. The Starting Strength novice program is very well-supported by videos, books, forums etc. You're not doing it forever, just a matter of a few months.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Thanks. Might check out SS.

    I had literally no specific goal when I started. Staff just told me to work arms and shoulders to work my posture. Hence, I did some looking about and just made a routine for myself.

    I'd rather not get fat if I can help it. I can easily live without six pack abs though. I didn't think SS would be a good idea if I've been going to the gym for a few years but I might give it a proper look. Getting a bit stronger would be nice.

    Do people just switch between programs every 3-6 months? Is this to prevent the body from adjusting to the routine?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This is what I do:

    A:

    6 minutes on a treadmill, max gradient

    5x5 Bench Press

    5x5 Bent over dumbell row

    Plank x 2

    Oblique lunges (2x30)

    3x12 Chest Press Machine

    3x12 Lat Pull Down


    B:

    6 minutes on a treadmill, max gradient

    5x5 Barbell Squat

    5x5 Should Dumbell Press

    3x12 Leg Curl Machine

    3x12 Leg Extension Machine

    3x12 Cable Pull Down

    3x12 Lateral Dumbell Raises

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    No you aren’t.


    i think I see the problem now. You have to progressively increase the weight or your will never get stronger. You’ll just find it easier to lift what you’re lifting now.


    You do sets and reps. Say 3x8, I like 3x8. You do a warm set or 2 with lower weight. Then you do your working weight for 3x8. If you complete the 3x8, next time you increase the weight. You do that weight until you complete 3x8 and increase again.


    this is a very basic example. But you want a properly structured program where this is baked in.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I do increase the weight but I feel like what I lift now is close to the maximum I can do with proper form. Except squats. For some reason I can squat a bit more than I currently lift. I just don't want to make a tit of myself by getting trapped under the bar. I do find squats the easiest to progress in.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You feel like it’s close to the max, but it won’t be soon because by training your max will increase.


    For squats, get a spotter or learn how to dump them. I’ve dumped many squats without getting trapped under them, it’s actually quite easy. A max bench is much harder to deal with.


    To dump a squat you lean back a little, let go of the bar and jump forward. YouTube it. Trust me, you’ll get out of there when you need to.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I added 5kg one day (Someone was hogging the smaller weights) and ended up with lower back pain for a week. Hence my being cautious. I appreciate you anticipating that I would not know what dumping was. Nice touch. Bit risky for fingers maybe.

    The SS program. Is it really just three sets of lifts a day (plus warmups)? That's all? I need to read it properly later of course.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    If you read the novice page for SS it’s pretty clear, probably clearer than I could write it.

    Although it’s “only” 3x5 on squat, bench and press, bear in mind-

    1. That’s after warm-ups, those 3x5 or 1x5 on dead are your work sets.
    2. Early on they will feel light and be light. But if you are adding weight to the bar every session just keep in mind that you might be squatting 70kg 3x5 early on, but 3-4 months later… Do the maths.. And 2 months after that.. The difficulty of a linear progression is not evenly distributed, it’s loaded to the end. Most people quit near the end, everyone sails the beginning.

    Although it’s a novice / beginner program if you haven’t had a proper run at it or are stalled then you can still benefit. Just don’t stay on it forever or keep returning to it.

    As far as failing a squat goes: If the pins are set up right you can just use those to abandon the lift at the bottom, by controlling it to the pins and wedging yourself out, if bailing out as outlined above freaks you out. In a commercial gym it will also cause less of an issue with some staff. I learned to bail first though, and it’s valid obviously!

    Post edited by Black Sheep on


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Haven't filmed myself. I get in very early to get better access to the only squat rack. I can give it a go but it's possible my form isn't great.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    If you're not looking to get physically huge, just stronger a calorie surplus is still required, yes?

    Thanks for all the responses.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I don’t get what you mean about dumping, sorry, am I missing something.


    Starting strength is a model of beautiful simplicity. It really works.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    a calorie surplus is needed to get stronger and bigger. Huge isn’t going to happen by accident. I’ve been relatively strong and not huge.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Strong and not huge would be ideal. I'm happy with my current weight but would like to see some progress in my lifting.

    The dumping was about dumping a squat above in the event of a failed rep.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    How do you create and follow an accurate diet ? like say someone wanted to consume 3k calories a day, and macros of moderate carb 30/35/35



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,649 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Then starting strength and a small calorie surplus is your only man.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Thanks! I think I'm out of daft questions. For now at least.

    Found a reddit post of some lad claiming to be eating nearly 4,000 calories a day. Madness.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    Follow a beginner programme or hire a coach. This stuff can be very confusing at the start and you'll save yourself a lot of time by just following a plan made by someone who knows how it all works.

    100kg squat is something almost all of my male clients can do after a year of consistent training; it shouldn't take 3+ years to do that if strength is a goal! Just a matter of training smart and eating and sleeping right.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Debating hiring a coach. This stuff is common knowledge among them, yes?

    No feckin way could I do a 100kg squat. 50, possibly but I can't see myself getting a full 100kg.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    It is amongst good ones aye 👌 100kg honestly very achievable

    I do online and in-person coaching, welcome to take a look at my site or any of the free resources on there. Hopefully not breaking any rules by linking here:

    https://www.cillianoconnor.net/



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There's a lad on Youtube I follow (strategy gaming, not lifting) and he occassionally shares pics of his squat racked loaded with 80kg. I get a bit jealous tbh.

    I live in the UK. I'd be more than happy to give you a call otherwise. Thanks for your help! I'll keep it in mind if I relocate back to Ireland.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    100kg as a goal is eminently achievable. Even if you are a smaller man, or a bit older, normally as Cilian says that's a benchmark you will almost certainly hit within a year of a novice program, or even sooner.

    If you aren't in a position to access a coach I would suggest to you that you could consider recording a video of your squatting and post it on one of the many many form check forums that are on reddit and facebook. You basically want to shoot the video from behind and to the side, so you won't necessarily be identifiable or anything. After you've got your feedback, then you can delete the video.

    Not as good as in person coaching, but better than nothing and if you're doing something fundamentally wrong, the feedback should give you at least some chance of correcting.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    With regard to tracking calories and macros, there probably isn't a better option at the moment than using one of the many apps out there that will let you log it and it does the maths.

    Determining what your macros and calorie intake should be is a little harder. For what it's worth, I did the maths myself a few years ago, based on what I wanted (Slight calorie deficit, and macros geared towards higher protein but carbs and fats supporting lifting and training several times a week), and then I compared that with what was generated as a recommendation for me by one of the tracking apps, I think it was My Fitness Pal. The difference between them was pretty negligible, I was surprised the app was very on the money, maybe I shouldn't have been.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Is mid-thirties a bit too old to be starting with all of this?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Absolutely not, put that from your mind.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Thanks B.

    Had a wee period of kicking myself there for not getting into it a decade ago. It's just so good for the stress and anxiety.

    Only asked because you mentioned people who are a bit older.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Ah, I was thinking 55+, or older even.

    In your thirties and forties … Still can get very strong.

    Actually even 55+ can get good numbers with the right coaching and maybe a bit of athleticism.

    I tweaked my upper back today, very annoying. Was fine for hours after and now seizing up. Probably that’s the rest of the week gone for lifting. Annoying.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,797 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Ah right.

    Yeah, I'd saw one GIF of an elderly woman deadlifting on a forum where some lad was afraid of doing it. I'd be similar. I've seen some videos and am not far off giving it a go but I think the point was along the lines of "If she can, so can you".

    Most people lifting I see are in their twenties. Maybe it's because I go in as early as possible to avoid the social media people...

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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