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Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** POSSIBLE SPOILERS **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,338 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Came across this on Youtube recently, thought it was quite funny.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Evade


    Leak of Picard season 3 uniforms




  • Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some poor Ensign is going to spend a helluva a lot of time beaming Picard in and out of that chair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Ensign Molly O'Brien, or maybe the second child, what was his name?

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,338 ✭✭✭✭Stark




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭corkie


    @AMKC

    I am curious do was there ever a future Enterprise shown in it at all?

    What letter are they on now and is it on You-Tube anywhere?

    From here.

    I will answer that here because more relevant to this thread, a future enterprise wasn't shown on discovery.

    it’s time for some theories. It would not be a long shot for the new starship in Star Trek: Picard Season 3 to be the USS Enterprise. Additionally, what if this new ship is the USS Enterprise-F? A ship that is regarded among some Trekkies as the next Enterprise was brought to life via Star Trek: Online, the MMO video game.

    Star Trek Online | USS Enterprise | NCC-1701-F

    315,270 views 5 Feb 2019

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,705 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Eww. Enterprise F looks like crap. Not a fan of many of these post Nemesis designs TBH; they all lack ... something. Coming from someone who loves the Miranda class more than any other design though, that mightn't amount to much 🤓 They kinda come across like someone trying to design a non copyright-infringing spaceship. Star Track!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Evade


    The neck is too thick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,061 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    What neck? I just they the tail is too thin but that otherwise it is a nice ship. More like an evolution of the Enterprise-E Soverign class than Voyagers Intrepid class as someone else mentioned Voyager above.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Evade


    EntD-F_banner_v2-1068x580.jpg

    That bit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭corkie


    NOTE: - The F is a 2011 fan design submitted in a competition!

    The Enterprise-F is not the focus of Star Trek Online, and its Andorian Captain Va’Kel Shon is not a character that its customers can usually play as. It was introduced into the game in 2012 (although Shon had already featured) and its design was, in a brilliant piece of fan engagement, the result of a competition on StarTrek.com, won by fan Adam Ilhe, whose original winning design (above) and the renders made from it can still be seen here. It’s lovely, all swooshy and forward thrusting, influenced by, but also an improvement on the Enterprise-E

    https://www.herocollector.com/en-gb/Article/star-trek-voyages-of-the-enterprise-f

    The USS Enterprise-F | Star Trek Explained

    431,682 views 3 Jan 2020

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,401 ✭✭✭Rawr


    It often felt that these later varients of the Enterprise were just attempts to rehash the wonderfully balanced design of the Enterprise E. The later designs all screamed of "What if I just take the Enterprise-E and add (insert bad idea here)".

    I somewhat fear that the Enterprise F would probably go that route since the Copy / Paste fleet in Season 1 came out "all Sovereign Class" (As Cpt. Freeman would likely say). I hope not, since it does look like they can pull off some good designs. I really did like the new Stargazer. If I were them I would try to do something other than an overweight Sovereign Class clone and work on an Enterprise design with it's own character.

    If they were smart about this (a BIG ask with Kurtzman in the room) they would put the work into designing a proper hero-ship like they used to do before. No more phoning it in with the Crossfield Class or whatever the hell La Serena was supposed to be, but a proper Enterprise that we can get to know. And then if they were smart (glaring at Kurtzman again), Picard Season 3 might be a really good setup for a new Enterprise F show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Oh I take your point and there's always hope (even if it's the thing that kills you), but that photo of the stairs is proof enough - alongside the existing production design - that the creatives in control of design with nuTrek are a bunch of hack fools. At least the JJ Enterprise intentionally wanted something that looked like an Apple Store, the exterior like a hotrod spaceship. Both aspects you could see in the final products; what are these nuTrek supposed to resemble? LaGenerica in Picard is presumably riffing on the Rocinante but it's so badly done.

    At least Strange New Worlds has the baseline of trying to riff on 60s Trek to keep itself focused - it'll be interesting to see what the "new" designs in that look like; ships or aliens that didn't exist from TOS. that'll be the telling part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,401 ✭✭✭Rawr


    There is that. Whatever talent they had back in the day for design has clearly not been replicated, and that teaser image does make my heart sink a bit.

    I was thinking the other day how forward-thinking and clever the TNG era designers were. I'm wondering if they had somehow managed to predict the rise of simplifed Dark Themes on computer displays with their Okudagrams and LCARS layouts. Just like contemporary dark themes, they seem to be a lot easier on the eye and very easy to take in. Clearly the Okudas knew their stuff, even back then. It could of course be a fluke that their designs remind me of what came to pass, but my gut tells me that they were simply very good at their jobs and cared about readability & quality.

    Lately we don't seem to have an Okuda couple involved in Trek. Instead we have a new batch of designers who seem to have very little grasp of good UX design and have a bizarre fixation on transparent light-up displays which just adds to the visual soup of current Trek shows. Gone are the days were we too would get a couple of seconds to see the LCARS display reporting on what was happening, and instead we get rotating shaky-cam while the cast breathlessly scream information dumps at us. Hopefully they can get their act together at some point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Evade


    I don't think the TNG era displays predicted dark mode. I think they were a continuation of the TMP displays which seemed to be based on the green text on black background displays of the 60s to 80s.

    Another advantage of LCARS was being able to date the ship by the diplay. Multicoloured LCARS meant a relatively new ship, mostly greens and blues were at least 50 years old without a refit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,401 ✭✭✭Rawr


    That brings up an excellent point, design language. The TNG designs were clearly built up to differentiate itself from TOS / Movies. There's this clear progression from stark utilitarian style of TOS to a more comfortable cruise-liner-ish style of the Galaxy Class, and then all the way to a fusion of both styles in the late TNG era for example on Voyager.

    The Discovery-era shows have their own design language too, but all it seems to say is "We wanted to make JJ-Movies, so we're making this TV-show instead."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Evade


    Having the same corridor set in use for over 20 years probably helped the sense of "this is a continuation of the previos era."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    Though I will say, they put that corridor set (and the TOS transporter set in TNG) to good use. You can tell that the Enterprise D is large, the Defiant is cramped, and Voyager is newer through small redesigns and refits. Using the same set did prompt some creativity. God knows how many bridges the D's battle bridge stood in for! While it could be considered doing things on the cheap, it added to the idea that these were new iterations of a standard design concept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Thing about Voyager though is that Captain's Ready room. A small office on Enterprise D, as someone put it before, bigger then a studio apartment on Voyager. Also Engineering, while using the same set as TNG as far as I'm aware, was a good deal wider in front of the Warp core. For a smaller ship, it sure had bigger working rooms.

    You probably already knew this but the Enterprise E sickbay set was a redress of the Voyager set in First Contact.

    This too shall pass.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Evade


    I think the Defiant corridor set was completely new, they didn't normally share sets both series would use frequently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭GSPfan


    Finally mustered up the effort to finish season 2 and my summary opinion is that it’s crap.


    There’s just so much wrong that it’s hard to list them. I’m at the point where I wish this series didn’t exist at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,061 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    You probably already knew this but the Enterprise E sickbay set was a redress of the Voyager set in First Contact.

     Was Voyager in First Contact I never noticed. Dam may go back and watch that now lol only kidding.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭corkie


    Despite the number of new sets created for the film, the production once again reused old material, including turbolift wall sections dating back to 1979's Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Sections of the starship Voyager from Star Trek: Voyager were cannibalized for the film, as filming was to take place between that series' second and third seasons. Voyager's sickbay was repainted and redressed for use as Doctor Crusher's sickbay, and the Voyagercargo bay set became the Enterpriseweapons locker with relatively little modification.

    The set was used but I don't remember voyager appearing in the film?

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Evade


    I'm pretty sure the Bellerophon from Inter Arma Enim Silent Legis is the only other Intrepid class ever show on screen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭Evade


    They watched episode 10. I think it might have broken them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Will Wheaton's rictus grin in this "aftershow" clips is the stuff of mundane tragedy.

    Poor Mike and Rich, hopefully Strange New Worlds remains along its gentle upward curve and they find it a palette cleanser from this garbage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    No, but if you look at this scene, the position of all the beds, the line pattern on the wall that my TV doesn't like when I'm watching Voyager, it's clearly the sickbay set from Voyager just with softer lighting and different doors. Voyager even used that same escape panel during the season 2 to 3 two parter "Basics"

    We didn't visit Sickbay in Insurrection but it had a whole new look in Nemesis because the Voyager set was long gone.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭corkie


    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Well, if you're fool enough to like the show ...



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