Russia

You are already starting off on the wrong foot because you will disregard everything I say anyway. Your first statement indicates your intention. 

It is necessary for you to explain why Nato's expansion all the way to the Russian border is beneficial to them? Could you please explain?

The Russian president has consistently said that the inclusion of Ukraine in a Nato alliance would be too much and that he would intervene. Since he has been claiming this for over a decade, it's not like he awoke one morning weeks before the invasion and made a false claim regarding Ukraine becoming a member of Nato and hoped that everyone would fall for it. Putin outlined this principle in 2008 at the NATO summit in Bucharest, when he went there he told the attendees that Ukraine and Georgia are not to be pushed into joining NATO. Your perceived level of understanding leads you to believe Putin is an insane individual who never had any legitimate cause to be angry.  

If you want to know what prompted Putin to mobilize his forces for an invasion, it was this.

NATO Communications and Information Agency (NCI Agency) and Ukraine signed on 17 January 2022 a renewed Memorandum of Agreement to continue their work together on technology-related projects..

As a result of this agreement, Ukrainian armies will be militarized to NATO standards, along with all communications and networks. Eventually, more heavy equipment will start coming to support military offensive operations. 

Both Ukraine and Russia have a shared history of conflict, and many people in the east of Ukraine still retain an affinity for the past due to their ethnic Russian heritage. Since the overthrow of the government in 2004, Ukraine has attempted to ban the teaching of the Russian language in schools. Putin frequently refers to the Nazis as Ukrainian nationalists as those people who try to eradicate the Russian ethnic identity in the east. The people were not going to put up with this and fought back.  

I don't have enough time to search for news headlines on Google in order to satisfy your information needs. Previously, I read this material online. There is ample evidence that Ukraine was armed prior to the invasion and that Nato trainers trained Ukrainian combat troops. Russia even attacked one of Nato's training facilities inside Ukraine. near Poland at the very beginning of the war. Western media ignored what the daily operations at this base were to the war effort in the Donbas. 

As a result of the drawing, the truther position is fairly well supported regarding all issues relating to removing construction.

It is NIST's assertion that this image is based on (Frankel Steel drawings from 1985) Fabrication shop drawings for building seven 

Upon receiving the originals, notice how different the drawings appear. 

NIST claim on the left and original on the right. It appears they have intentionally removed many elements to get the girder on the eastside to collapse.  

Thank you for your reply, @Cheerful S

I wont be asking you any more questions as you obviously cannot answer them. It simply proves that everything you claim as fact, is in reality false. I wont be posting on this thread any more as its become a ridiculous circus where a couple of dozen posters are all telling you the truth, and you then reply with yet more fantasy stuff. I've a lot better things to do than go round in circles on a forum with a complete stranger who's in constant denial - despite overwhelming facts to the contrary.

Nato has not expanded all the way to the Russian border from within Ukraine because Nato are not in Ukraine, and Ukraine are not in Nato.

If you are referring to other countries that border Russia and are Nato members then they are free to join whomever they want. Additionally, Nato is a defensive alliance that has never posed any threat to Russia. Can you give me one single example of Nato ever attacking Russian territory? Just one single example.

Yes, to work together on technology related projects, as it states.

Where is your proof that more "heavy equipment" would be coming to "support military offensive operations". You've just made that up. Ukraine have only been supplied with military support after Putin invaded Ukraine.

So that's your answer to my first question... asking you to provide proof that - as you quoted - "Washington was sending aircraft loads of weapons to Ukraine years before the invasion began". Of course you don't have enough time to look it up, because it never happened!

Where?

Please provide links.

Training and arming with offensive weapons are two completely different things.

The US trains the military of many armies from different countries, so does Nato, so does the UK and so does Russia itself. That in itself is not grounds for invading another sovereign country.

My second question to you was: Why do you believe that it's fine for Russia to have nuclear warheads pointed at almost every country on the planet, but a country bordering them, with no nuclear weapons and no ambitions of getting any, are seen as a threat that warrants invading them and butchering thousands?

You chose to completely ignore it.

So two simple questions I put to you, both of which you fail to answer. Instead you post a load of irrelevant padding as a feeble attempt to deflect from the fact that you CANNOT provide any realistic answers.

Surely you've more important things in your life that would take priority over wasting countless hours, days and weeks on a forum trying to prove your conspiracy theories to complete strangers. Not a single person on here supports anything you've said in any of the threads you've participated in... 9/11, holocaust, Russia, etc, etc. Do you ever pause and wonder why?

It's a complete waste of your intelligence.

The "truther position" is that 9/11 was an inside job that no one in the "truther" organisation can adequately explain. Same as any other internet conspiracy club.

Some truthers claim there were holographic planes, some believe that explosives were planted in the twin towers when they were built, some believe it was energy weapons. Most have no conspiracy and just stick entirely to denial of the event. You believe it was World War 2 Nazi's.

Which Nazi's, what are their names? what did they do? how did they do it?

Still waiting for an answer..

Ukraine received some foreign arms prior to the invasion. As is their right as a sovereign nation. When you debate with a conspiracy theorist, if you make any mistake, you've "lost" the debate and whatever the conspiracy theorist is suggesting automatically becomes true.

This is why they try to drag posters down into tiny granular details, and when something can't be fully explained to them, it means the conspiracy must have some merit. Conspiracies like 9/11 thrive on this. Can't explain exactly what happened to screw 10 in girder C at floor 9 at 5:42pm? Oops, the official story is "falling apart". 800 page report makes some erroneous errors that have zero bearing on final conclusion? Uh oh, the entire narrative is falling apart.

Once again, this represents a failure of understanding that steel is a fire-resistant material and that for the first time in history, a fire brought down a steel-framed structure of this kind.

As you consider this event here at seven, you should concentrate on that "first-time" factor. These collapses changed the engineering world's perceptions, they'll too be surprised to learn that a third tower fell on 9/11 without being hit by a plane.  

There is one problem, though: if you are going to claim that it was caused by fire, you better have an airtight case. Clearly, this new phenomenon that NIST claims occurred at column 79 is demonstrably false, and most people are unaware that this never-before event has never occurred in any building previously. 

It is difficult to understand why you would remove construction from the scene in a rare fire event and not explain why in your report. Why did NIST not hold a public debate on this issue, or why did they not release their ensuing data for other researchers to analyze? Obviously, debunkers are clueless since they believe that freefall is also unimportant and does not matter here. I am still unable to view the freefall zone in NIST's model, despite the fact that they have finally accepted this notion.

The process is not rocket science, and supposedly educated individuals are welcome to drop an apple from a tree and let it fall to the ground in freefall. What will happen if you place a ladder in the way of the falling apple? There will be resistance, and the apple will just hit the ladder and roll off. Using the NIST model, if the top half of the building crushes the bottom half coming down, how is that possible to be a free fall? Energy is in use to crush and bend steel (*freefall does not work like that) 

The WTC7 collapse was too precise to be caused by a fire. The fire does not destroy every column instantly from one end of the building to the other (that is equivalent to one football pitch in size) 

"I can't believe it, therefore some conspiracy happened I can't explain" - every conspiracy theorist

At any point, feel free to become the first 9/11 truther to give it a shot, you've already claimed "Nazi's" did it, okay, who, what are their names? what did they do?

You openly believe Nazi's from World War 2, Jews and Saudi's blew up the twin towers on 9/11

If you said that to a psychologist or psychiatrist they would immediately start classifying you..

Many links provide similar information. It was previously your view that military supplies were only provided to Ukraine in 2021, however, Dohnjoe corrected you, and changed the direction of your argument. 

Would 250 million in goodies just be transported by van or car? Many shipments of military goods (yes, weapons) have been sent to Ukraine through airports in the past.

Up until recently, Ukraine was not at war with Russia; it was at war with the breakaway provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk. Yes, my good friend Ukraine as well as other countries must overlook the fact that it was a part of the Soviet Union, and now the United States and the United Kingdom wish it to join a military alliance hostile to Russia. It is your ignorance about history in that region that has caused your ignorance about Russia's viewpoint.

There is no question that you would prefer not to chat with individuals who present a different perspective than your own. Instead, you may prefer to continue chatting with dedicated Ukrainian supporters who have trouble locating the country on the world map a few months ago. The thread made me laugh because they are completely unaware of what is happening on the battlefield., Russia has completely surrounded Severodonetsk from all sides. According to CNN and the Pro Western Media, the Russian military could barely advance. The army was stalled and on the verge of collapse. It is important to emphasize that the Ukrainian army was never able to defeat the Russians anywhere. They retreated and pulled themselves back and were never overrun. It is possible to argue that the Russians were naive regarding the Ukrainian defences heading to Kiev, but there have been no overruns of troops here.

Due to the construction of four bridges by the Russians, the Russian forces crossed and advanced. Ukrainians even acknowledged that their defenses failed. It is likely that they post videos such as the one you saw in order to boost morale as they are losing badly in the east. No indication is given in the video if there was a battle between Ukrainian and Russian tanks near the crossing. Video appears legitimate, but there are only tanks in the video. 

Remember that it was the same Ukraine that announced they had killed the Russian general Gerasimov in a surgical strike using multiple missiles and destroyed a command post. It was a lie. The same Ukraine that lied about the performance of its soldiers on Snake Island and the Ghost of Kyiv pilot who shot down 40 Russian fighter planes, they did nothing but bullshit. They even claimed that a major counterattack was taking place in Kherson. I cannot bother to post about more stuff since you believe that it is true when it is announced that Ukraine lost only 5,000 men ya right, 

That link doesn't prove anything you've said, and no other link would either. If you had any concrete proof then you would have posted it by now, because that's how your mind works. What I said was that no weapons that could be used in an offensive capacity were provided years ago, as you stated. I'm fed up of correcting you as you're like a naughty child in school that doesn't want to learn. You are delusional.

@Dohnjoe never corrected me. He simply agreed that some small arms were previously supplied to help in the DEFENCE of the breakaway regions. Nothing of the like of the "aircraft loads of weapons to Ukraine years before the invasion began", that you stated.

Your stance is that this invasion was caused by the West arming Ukraine to the teeth years ago. And Putin then using that as a threat to Russia. What you believe is totally ludicrous. Ukraine, the US and Nato were not and have never been any threat to Russia, but you simply cannot get this into your head. They are not a threat even now, and are only acting purely in a defensive capacity.

The report that YOU linked to confirmed that YOU were totally wrong. That's how much you're tying yourself up in knots on this... exactly the same as you do on all the other threads that you try to project your wild conspiracy theories on.

The report that you linked to - that you are labouring under the impression confirms what you've said - instead just confirms everything that I've said:

It's all training programs, support, communications, military medical equipment, etc. Other than some sniper rifles and grenade launchers there are NO heavy weapons, assault weapons, vehicles, tanks, missiles or whatever that could be used in an attack on a country. READ IT YOURSELF. I've highlighted three words in the above quote which clearly state that everything provided was in a purely defensive capacity.

Prior to Putin's invasion, Ukraine have never been armed to the teeth or prepped to invade Russia, or any threat to Russia whatsoever. And they are quite entitled to defend their eastern regions from separatists waging war on them.

Now @Dohnjoe may get some entertainment value out of debating a lost cause with you, but I certainly don't. You must be the most thick-skinned person on the whole forum to continually put yourself up to ridicule by so many dozens of posters, as has been the case on numerous threads.

A few months ago I spoke some kind words to you on here as I felt sorry for you. You thanked me but thereafter never took my advice. Instead your rantings have got much worse, interspersing rambling comments about JFK, 9/11, Holocaust, etc, in any and every thread you visit. I truly believe you need to take a break from this forum, and any other conspiracy nut-job platforms you visit.

I've explained the FACTS to you several times now, so please do not bother me again. Unless of course you are able to provide categoric proof that Ukraine was supplied years ago with tanks, armoured vehicles, javelins, and other heavy offensive weapons that you allege were the reason for Putin's illegal invasion. I won't hold my breath.

These types of individuals will never stop, the world revolves around how they imagine it on any given day and their narcissism prevents them seeing it any other way. This forum is an outlet where they bring this fantasy to life.

By encouraging them to respond, they make the best possible argument against their own views. How many other 9/11 truthers do we see here? Indeed.