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  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deplyoment map with battalion and units updated frequently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,443 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yes they are right because the churches are now independent. The Ukrainian Orthodox church split from the Russian Orthodox church, they have different leaders now but the religion is still the same. Similarly, the rest of Orthodox churches (Romanian, Bulgarian, Greek etc) are all independent but they still represent the same religion.

    IMHO it's ok to clarify this here as it's relevant to the cultural aspects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,570 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    This has been a Ross and Rachel thing since the war began.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    In over 30 years of watching the EU, sometimes in exasperation, sometimes in awe, this is without question the most unified, the most determined and yes, the fastest-acting we have ever seen. By a distance.

    We're lucky enough to live inside the greatest supranational organisation ever. That doesn't mean it, and its members, are immune from criticism! But we should also appreciate what we've built.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭wandererz


    Hey gormdubhgorm,

    Have you heard about this Irish guy called David McSavage. Have you heard what he's doing lately??

    Now... pick up your bonnet and go get another bee in it.

    Oh, and the Ukraine thread is that away.

    Post edited by wandererz on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Attack nato , lushenko wouldn't last 24 hours if he tried ,

    But in saying that the Russians sent public order units to help quell any protests in Belarus ,it's possible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    'Russia still has many countries support'.

    Do you have the list to hand (ironically you could use the fingers of a single hand to count them) of the countries that voted against the UN Resolution condemning the Russian invasion?

    Iran, North Korea, Eritrea and Myanmar. There's your 'support'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    It is just another one already removed from thread popping back up to dispense some more wisdom.

    I don't know, should one rat them out (!) or ignore it?



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can you imagine the Belarus officers getting the orders to attack NATO. Talk about the messenger getting shot... There would be instant revolt. I doubt they'd persuade them to attack Western backed Ukraine, never mind NATO proper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,502 ✭✭✭✭josip


    It's a misleading tweet. The main route to Western Ukraine from Belarus heads towards Brest on the Polish border before turning south towards Ukraine. Any Belarussian troops going to the Ukrainian border will for a while be heading in the direction of Poland.

    Lukashenko has no chance of getting far enough into Western Ukraine to disrupt supply lines. This I suspect is Putin's exit strategy. Force Lukashenko to invade and have a domestic rebellion. Russian peacekeepers arrive to secure Belarus. White Rus rejoins the greater Rus, win for Pooty.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭sjb25




  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ukraine have allready reinforced their border with Belarus in the west,since they expected an attack to come from that direction from the beginning of the invasion.

    And being so close to Poland means shorter supply lines for Ukraine as well,so if Belarus are on a suicide mission,go ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,783 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Might I say


    This is comedy gold Mick, and your still miffed no doubt Bono wouldn't come down and open your new stadium down in Wexford town.


    Give her a rest will ya. The nato speel has been thoroughly debunked many many times over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭weisses


    I wouldnt be surprised the blackhawk below did some kind of medivac from Ukraine. Transponder only switched on during the way back and landed at a Rzeszow Hospital before continuing on


    medevac.PNG




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Lukey [Lukashenko] has looked nervy from day one of Putin's invasion of Ukraine. If he did order any such military action it would be after some major shove from Russia. What's more, I bet plenty in Belarus would support Ukraine before Putin's Russia. Any such action from Lukey would be a death warrant for his own career. I could see him doing a runner to a safe haven. Poland alone could crush Belarus in a jiffy.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    What russian peacekeepers? From where? Dombas? Moscow? Will they finally send their 'A' team?



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,513 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Drop the Bono/U2 talk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,431 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Belarussian opposition leaders say such a move would be hugely risky for Lukashenko. There is a lot of opposition to the war in the country and most people there have no particular quarrel with Ukraine or Ukrainian people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    True, desperate times and all that. He and others are very right about reliance on the US, but the overall European reaction is alot better and faster today for all the flaws than I think the reaction was to what was happening in Yugoslavia (admittedly, that was not as serious).

    The biggest dependency is on USAs giant military (one of the few times in my life it is the "arsenal of democracy") and their willingness to get engaged in these events going on in Europe (thank f-ck it hadn't died a death completely yet when this happened). However much some want to laud the actions of the UK, they can't help Ukraine here much more than the EU members. While they haven't let the military decay the way Germany has, they're no US.

    Some on here can completely dismiss helping Ukraine with their refugees, economic aid and non military aid as basically worthless and unimportant if they like + focus on the weapons, but don't think they are right there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    To try to contextualise the speed and scale of the change, the EU has turned into a superpower, almost overnight.

    Power doesn't just exist in the hard variety either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Duke 50 has been flying to and from the same areas since the start of the war ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Cutting Russian oil/gas is happening - fast. At least recognise that reality in a universe where energy policy takes decades to implement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Belarus to deploy special operation forces on the border with Ukraine - General staff of Belarus

    is Belarus about to enter the fray?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Well we've done this to death and I just don't agree it is as easy as you say to stop everything now. You moved away from calling for an immediate cutoff of trade before, but you are back to it now saying x amount going "to Putin" each day the oil & gas trade carries on etc.

    That is not a gift to Russia either. They get money, Europe gets energy. I hope it will end soon. I think it is impossible also to have EU embargo if one country will not agree to it & I don't think Hungary/Orbán ever will, but people don't seem to like to talk about them as much as (Bad) Germany here.

    Am not an expert on EU procedures, but (being pessimistic) I feel the only way Hungary can be got around here is if their voting rights can be suspended by all the other members (incl. Poland) turning on them (here's hoping!).

    edit: Again I just see no evidence that an embargo will stop the war immediately (but it may end it faster I admit). I think Putin may already be taking Soviet weapons from their stockpiles when Russia is running short of more modern stuff. While they may be outmatched by more modern and better Western weapons, they can still kill people and wreck cities. Putin can print money to pay his soldiers and if they don't like the fact the rouble doesn't buy them much any more, they can lump it (or be sent to jail perhaps).

    Post edited by fly_agaric on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Recent increase in shipments could make a big difference for the Ukraine army including U.S. M777 Howitzers, P2000 Haubitze self propelled Howitzers (NL,Germany), Caesar self propelled Howitzers (France), Gepard self-propelled anti-aircraft (Germany), T72 tanks (Slowakia), Switchblade Kaimikaze drones (U.S.), Starstreak laser anti-tank (UK), NLaw anti-tank (UK), Bayraktar TB2 drones (Turkey), plus ammo and supporting new radar jamming kit.

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Sorry, would not go that far (the EU as "superpower") but it (the institution itself) is doing quite well with the tools it has available and limitations it works under (like veto powers, and need for full consensus on the issues outside its competencies) alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Belarus looking to tie up more Ukrainian troops at their border or worse

    From the Guardian:

    Lukashenko warns Belarus can ‘inflict unacceptable damage’ as special troops deployed to border near Ukraine

    Belarus will deploy special operations troops in three areas near its southern border with Ukraine in response to a “growing threat” by the US and its allies, the armed forces said, as the Belarusian president, Alexander Lukashenko, said Moscow had agreed to help Minsk produce missiles.

    Belarusian chief of general staff, Viktor Gulevich, said:

    The United States and its allies continue to build up their military presence on the state borders of Belarus. The strength of this force has more than doubled in the last six months.

    He said the build-up of military presence by Western allies “testifies to a growing threat to the Republic of Belarus”, adding that Belarus is also deploying air defence, artillery and missile units for drills in the west.

    The announcement comes after Lukashenko earlier today said Moscow had agreed to help Minsk produce missiles to beef up its military capabilities.

    Speaking at a meeting of defence officials, Lukashenko was quoted by the state-run news agency, Belta, as saying that events in Ukraine had demonstrated the importance of having troops with modern, highly effective weapons and supplies.

    Lukashenko said he won the support of the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, for people involved in missile production in Russia to take a look at Belarus’ developments in that area.

    He said the Belarusian army is combat-ready and will be able to “inflict unacceptable damage on the enemy” in case of external aggression, adding:

    We are realists, we understand that we will not be able to defeat Nato. However, we have all the weapons to do damage, especially to the territories from which we will be attacked.

    The Belarusian president said he was “not hinting at anything, but I want everyone to understand the range of the weapons we have”.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




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  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If it weren't for the Eastern Europeans (sure what would they know?) and the Ukrainians own outstanding PR efforts I doubt at this point things would have gone past non-energy sanctions and maybe a few dozen individuals. At the same time, whatever about propaganda, the amount of footage and before/after photos of genuinely "nice" areas being levelled has surprised even me. Compared to Russian towns and places similar economically, they had more nice parks and well maintained streets etc. than I expected. Then hearing about toilet seats being robbed and the stealing of feckin kitchen appliances and it frames things really well as a forward-looking optimistic nation versus a backwards and backwards-looking nation lashing out.



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