Women Have the Hots for Vlodomyr Zelensky

Just wait until BongBong Marcos gets elected!

No he isn't.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2022/04/20/president-zelensky-is-not-a-billionaire-so-how-much-is-he-worth/

He is below average height and his shoulders and overall build look small relative to the size of his head. The real hunk in the Ukraine conflict is Vitali Klitschko, looks and sounds like a serious badass. Makes everyone around him look like a child, this will be very stark if Zelensky and him are pictured together.

Putin gets described as a midget and dwarf but him and Zelensky are about the same height

Zelensky can do no wrong at the moment but it will be astounding if he doesn't have skeletons in the closet that will come out at some stage. I expect the midget sneers to start then.

I don't recall that ordinary women were asked if they wanted the waffly concept of "toxic masculinity" inserted into culture in the first place.

People are more usually told what to think by mainstream culture rather than asked.

In any case Zelensky is a pretty-faced actor, much softer-looking than most political/military leaders past or present.

I know nothing about him and don't really have much opinion. I don't want to see Russia gain territory though.

I feel sorry for people who transfer their savings to an IBAN in Ukraine that has been 'verified' as 'legitimate'.

Newsflash: your money is being embezzled, it's not being used to buy grenades

I expect the midget sneers to start then.

I think you're doing quite a good job there already tbf

God help anyone who isn't over 6 foot 🙄

But yeah Zelensky is a pretty good combination of masculine qualities and feminine looks.

Isn't this also partly Brad Pitt's appeal? Pitt is masculine, muscular but with soft manner and looks.

To be fair, Ukraine is one of the most corrupt nations in the world.

It is possible to be a great leader and be corrupt at the same time, look at our own CJH.

Ah faint praise. Very good. Though I somehow don't think you can usefully compare CJH with Zelensky as leaders no matter how you twist it.

As a former Russian satalite, the country only gained its independence in 1991, following the collapse of the Soviet Union. Unfortunately the newly independent country inherited much of the worst elements of corruption from Soviet era central government and the remnants of a pro Russian intelligentsia, with Ukraine and Russia continuing to circle each other for top prize. Unlike Russia however, significant efforts have been brought to bear on removing corruption and Russian influences from Ukrainian business and politics. Long may that continue.

I think people are being very presumptuous by saying that all corruption in Ukraine has a Russian and pro-Russian origin.

Where is the proof of that?

I doubt if the typical pro-Ukrainian westerner really knows enough about both countries to be able to say that definitively.

It's a standard nationalist viewpoint to claim a foreign influence is responsible for a country's problems.

I'm happily posting away in the Ukraine thread in the politics forum

I haven't changed my views, opinions or posting style in any way

Yeah we've noticed 🙄

It's only been 30 years.

I think that the point, with much of those 30 years spent under the governance of a largely pro Russian regime

I don't believe anyone needs to know the ins and outs of either Russian or Ukrainian culture.

What we do need to know is that Ukraine within the last decade, has shown a willingness to move away from the corruption it inherited under Soviet rule and a move towards more European style democracy and structures including its application to join the EU where it will have to meet rigorous standards in governance, fight corruption and apply the rule of law before it could be admitted as a member.

Russia, not surprisingly has demonstated no such willingness to rid itself of corruption and I somehow reckon it never will.

I'd agree with you tbh that he has a masculine type look. Some else here thought he was feminine looking 🤔

Tbh if my girlfriend looked anything like Zelensky, I wouldn't have been swiping right

Cop on would you. I didn't say he looked exactly like a woman. Obviously that isn't the case.

I regard him as a mixture of feminine-masculine like Brad Pitt.

He has soft features and is not straightforwardly masculine only.

How many war leaders look like they could've been in a boy band or a soap opera?

He is extremely soft-looking by those standards. Compare to General Franco or Montgomery - or even a handsome military man like Napoleon or Murat.

He looks like what he is, an actor.

Do you ever read what is written?

You said

But yeah Zelensky is a pretty good combination of masculine qualities and feminine looks.

And I said

Some else here thought he was feminine looking

Well excuse my French if I didn't paraphrase you correctly. Maybe "cop on" yourself

As for

"How many war leaders look like they could've been in a boy band or a soap opera?"

He's a "war leader" now is he? I was under the impression he was the democratically elected president of Ukraine who with many other Ukrainians are fighting the illegal invasion of their country. Thanks for correcting us on that mistake

But no I don't believe he "looks like  (he)  could've been in a boy band or a soap opera" at all.

But again thanks for the heads up

He looks like what he is, an actor

Once again I'll have to politely largely disagree. He appears to be a very intelligent individual and every bit a statesman.

He is also a graduate of Kyiv National Economic University with a degree in law. He pursued a career in comedy and created the production company Kvartal 95, which produced films and TV shows, in which he also acted.

He then went into politics in 2018 and was duly elected president of Ukraine in May 2019.

I gather you don't like the guy and not necessarily because of his looks. Ah well, there you go.