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To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Hi, do I need to wear a mask going to the dentist still?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,777 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    That article nails it. Some mask wearing isn't even COVID related anymore.

    Yesterday, I saw a lady indoors wearing a mask (non N95) covering her face as much as possible and massive sunglasses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Far from disappeared and far from forcing but hey....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Masknerd and 3M rep answer some common questions about 3M respirators. Like can you re-use them? What are the differences?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    In all fairness, people weren't given the appropriate information about masks. They never even recommended respirator masks (N95, KN95) for protection. HSE website still has medical mask OR respirator mask as a choice. Huge sunglasses mean nothing.


    Was in a chemist with someone wearing a face covering in front of me that was older, so more vulnerable asking for N95 masks. And just in case the assistant didn't know, she said they were the type of masks recommended for flying. The assistant also told the customer that it can be worn on buses or trains but no mention of wearing it in shops or crowded indoor places.


    The whole messaging as been awful.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,845 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    How does the article 'nail it' when it talks about anonymity, and you are talking about someone indoors?

    Maybe she has allergies? Maybe she was dusting?

    People wore masks before covid for variety of reasons. Now that people are more familiar with them, they are cheaper to obtain, we can expect more non-covid uses of them.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You were in favour of mandatory masking and moaned about the lack of enforcement... you wanted to see more fines for people not wearing masks...

    So yes you did want to see masks forced on people. At least admit it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,237 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    The dentist I go to insists on people wearing them while waiting to be seen but i don't know if thats the case in every practice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,777 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Protecting herself from dust and vicious indoor lighting in Dundrum Town Centre?

    Some people don't want to be recognised and this is a new avenue to achieve that (in a non-crime scenario of course).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    So you think someone is hiding if they choose to wear a mask other than N95? Let's forget about the awful messaging about masks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭bosco12345


    Borderline mental illness this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,845 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Where in your original post did you mention shopping centre? You just said 'indoors'. I pointed out that a reason why someone might wear them indoors.

    That's an assumption you've made, it might be correct, but really we don't know.

    Maybe they are still wearing a mask because of concerns re: covid.

    Maybe they get migraines, hence the sunglasses.

    Maybe they need prescription glasses, drove there and it was bright so wore sunglasses and didn't bother changing as it's bright enough inside.

    Maybe they were reaction lens that hadn't changed back yet.

    Maybe they are sensitive to perfumes.

    Maybe they have pollen allergens and go around masked up all the time.

    You really don't know but doesn't stop you jumping to the conclusion you wanted to arrive at.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,777 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    In the scenario I gave you, it's more likely than a COVID reason. I believe the article raises valid points.

    How often has someone half jokingly said during the pandemic "Nobody recognises you in the shop, you don't have to make small talk to someone, it's great!"?

    Post edited by corcaigh07 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,777 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Or maybe you're avoiding the most logical conclusion on purpose? I didn't see anyone wearing a huge mask and sunglasses indoors pre March 2020, pollen or no pollen 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,845 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's a possible explanation but I don't think it is the most logical conclusion.

    I saw people wearing sunglasses indoors pre March 2020. Were most of them trying to go incognito? We don't know.

    I see people wearing masks indoors post March 2022 without sunglasses or baseball caps or whatever, so don't seem to be trying to go incognito.

    Therefore, logically, there are people who wear masks and sunglasses who are not trying to be incognito.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,777 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    I disagree with your logic and going to leave it there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    So if you think covid is a reason, why are you jumping to conclusions about hiding?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    Maybe because people looked funny at people before covid for doing anything out of the ordinary.


    I wanted to wear masks before covid but I was looked at funny by people like you and guess what, I'm continuing to wear my mask and now that the sun is out, wearing with sunglasses as well. But that's all funny to you.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You should probably speak to someone about your own lack of confidence if you didnt do something you wanted to do because you feared getting funny looks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Wanting children protected is a far cry from forced but hey.....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    The Readimask NIOSH-approved N95 adhesive mask can be used sucessfully while in the dentists chair.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    What's the point of that yoke? It's a silly looking thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭Ceramic


    To be quite honest, as someone who has less than perfect hearing (some significant ear problems that most ppl don’t realise I have - middle ear damage, history of lots of ear surgery etc), I found the masks absolutely debilitating and didn’t go out very much when they were worn as I couldn’t understand people in shops and cafes and it just became frustrating / embarrassing to have to keep saying “what?” “Sorry could you say that louder?” I often hadn’t a clue what I was being said or even that someone was talking to me at all.

    I had never ever had any issue significant issues going about my normal day to day stuff before and wouldn’t really normally even be all that aware of it. It was the first time I realised how much I use lip reading as a cue to filter noise and tune in to what someone is saying. Once I can’t see lips moving it’s suddenly much harder to interpret what’s being said or pick speech out from background noise. It’s a visual cue that’s hugely important to me.

    I also found people would take their mask off / down when they realised I couldn’t figure out what was being said and that just got awkward so mostly I just tended to go out a lot less. It was just easier to shop online and stick to quieter places.

    I appreciate the need for masks was there, and I wear them when appropriate, like visiting hospitals etc but they were a lot more problematic for some of us than they are for others.

    It’s been a huge sense of reconnection for me since they’ve largely gone. Small talk and banter is back!

    Post edited by Ceramic on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    Another peer reviewed study showing masks had little to no effect and more mask usage correlating with a higher death rate. :




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    So? Have you an actual opinion on that, or just back to dumping twitter links?

    Oh, and I for one would love to see you own up to your stance as suggested by Jac about a dozen posts back.

    Anyway...

    I read the BBC article and they aren't the first to suggest that mask wearing was a benefit to introverted people. We've had several examples of people in this thread who have tried to actively distance themselves from others and everyday social interactions before Covid - which is of course entirely their choice. I disagree with it personally as I don't think it's necessarily good for their mental health or access to opportunities that such interactions can lead to, but it's their lives and they are free to live it as they wish.

    But, when that personal choice crosses into an attitude that others should facilitate it beyond simple courtesy or tolerance then there is a problem - and that applies regardless of whether their underlying reason is social or medical concerns.

    Just as they are free to wear their mask for whatever reason they want, so too are others just as free to decide not to and to go about their business and interactions without comment. That of course is a concept that some mask wearers have struggled with, but as I predicted months ago, covid concerns and mask wearing have rightly faded as people move back to normal life and have a lot more to worry about at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,757 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I can never quite get to any level of understanding of thought process involved here..


    Protected from what? All the evidence that has been compiled shows that children were the least likely to have any symptoms or long term complications from covid.


    So what was the mask protecting children from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    You have been posting in thread for what over a year and your still referencing masks as jokes and silly looking things.

    Essentially you have just asked what's the point of that mask?

    Really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    I never referenced masks as jokes or silly looking things. Just that link you dumped here.


    I don't see the point in that. It covers the nose and leaves the mouth free for a dentist to work on. Why cover the nose and not the mouth?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    The virus doesn’t care that you have an impacted wisdom tooth.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,845 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Where is the peer review?

    Rather dubious numbers... what were the deaths pre and post mask usage.

    How could deaths have correlation but not hospitalisation.

    How was mask compliance established.

    Were more people wearing masks in response to waves ie how did masks cases and deaths lag.

    The author has assessed demographics as comparable only looking at over 65s rather than over 80s yet we would expect deaths to be concentrated in that cohort.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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