Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

He is attempting to reinforce the idea that human nature has no legitimacy.

There are no persons - there are just units, components of quantitative summaries or statistics.

I can't agree - maybe in a closed society like north korea but as soon as our boarders open up the virus comes back it .

In Ireland loves it boarders to be wide open - in the time it assumed (even by me) it was a killer plague we were importing Bulgarian fruit pickers.

let it rip was the only appropriate response.

We will have many examples of illness , stunted development and or other such issues come to the fore in the future based on the futile adventures in lockdown..

sadly. of course

WHO reckons there have been 15 million excess deaths due to Covid. They've somehow managed to include deaths due to undiagnosed cancers, etc. due to lockdowns and restrictions.

This.

At least half the drop in numbers between late October and early December 2020 was down to the additional level 3 restrictions they'd already introduced. The NPHET minutes from the last meeting before L5 was introduced show that some members wanted to wait an extra week to see the effects.

That would have gotten the numbers down a lot, and kept a short L5 as an option to drive them down further.

But Tony was insistent on jumping the gun and going to L5 immediately, and by the time the L3+ effects were levelling off, L5 had started to lose it's impact because people were sick of it and compliance was slipping.

No chance of any of them admitting they got it horribly wrong, just a "communication issue"

Sweden did well . Reasons given are that obesity levels are low there and they have a very good , well funded health service .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/swedens-death-rate-among-lowest-europe-despite-avoiding-strict/

Norway and Iceland did much better though overall .

Yes saw that.

Especially increased post Covid.

I suppose not everybody has the time or wherewithall to take off for a run or go to the gym with family and work commtments all converging in a home environment

Mainly women affected in this regard although 11% higher overweight in men pre Covid , and similar obesity levels and outlined the reasons why...( Don't think it mentioned "not bothering" though?)

Maybe link to the article so people can read what was said and not just your own particuar viewpoint..

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/obesity-has-reached-epidemic-proportions-in-ireland-who-says-1.4868485

Interesting that you took that point up but not the highly funded Swedish health service?

Does anyone know when the (legal?) requirement to self isolate will end like it has in England?

... when?

and you were proven wrong on it all, bar the issues that existed before covid and which restrictions or not would have made no difference.

Just aswell Omicron and vaccines came along because lockdown would certainly have crashed the country if it went on any longer.

That's quite a reach.

I see from your signature at the end of your post ( which is getting longer every time I see it :))that you love music festivals and gigs .

Were these ones you were at and that you hope to go to?

This is one business that would /did not survive lockdowns and I never want to be stopped from going to a concert again .

It appears that that part of the economy certainly was crashed , others less affected . Any further wide ranging restrictions should hopefully not be needed in Ireland again with our vaccination and immunity levels . ( I caveat that with the note that noone can see the future but it's an educated guess ?)

I have a number of concerts this year 3 of which we bought tickets for in 2020.

Don't know how that works for the musicians and those in entertainment .

Have they got the money already and if so how can they now afford to tour ?

Friend and oh in the business who are now only starting to get back to some normality.

0h wow I didn't think if they were put off for another year !

Yes it is lovely , prefer a good live gig than anything else but it was very harsh on the whole entertainment industry more so than any other .