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Minimum Wage - How can you survive ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,106 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    money has become our chosen medium to help us provide ourselves with our needs, but theres clearly serious issues involved in its uses and methods of circulation, its clearly obvious wealth is beginning to accumulate, which means more and more are struggling to meet their most critical and essential needs, this is most evident in our property and health care problems. yes we have done extremely well in reducing the cost of food and its redistribution, but this too is starting to cause serious issues, we re clearly over producing, and over consuming it, particularly in developed nations such as ours, but there are caveats with this to, some still are struggle with meeting their food needs, and yes some are due to the facts you ve stated, i.e. illness, mental health, addiction, etc etc etc, baring in mind, food insecurities can also play a part in triggering these issues

    again, money is our chosen medium, and the fact we ve rapidly increased our global money supplies over the last few decades, and yet, we re still experiencing food insecurities, including in developed nations, we ve clearly made a major balls up, in what we ve been using this money for, as more and more are now simply unable to meet their most critical of needs, as discussed, i.e. property, health care, food etc etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    I suppose he is as entitled to ‘game the system’ as anyone.



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    With the greatest of respect,almost noone i know on the min wage gets 40 hours a week


    Businesses hide behind various laws/contracts to avoid having to pay holidays/any time off if possible.....the plight of min wage workers (many deemed essential for cv19 purposes) is much worse when examined closely



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Well then, name these companies that 'brag about getting people from Latvia etc that have poor English and don’t understand what their entitled to etc'

    It's easy to throw stuff like that around. Back it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Most Meat Factories, Fruit Picking Organisations, Security companies be three areas where its rampant .

    Lot of sharp practice in hospitality also . The Irish generally wont put with it but those coming from Latvia, Bulgaria etc have average to poor English are ripe to be rode by unscrupulous employers. They are coming from desperate situations in their countries so they will put up with it for a certain period .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,248 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


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    Post edited by Kermit.de.frog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    What I believe is the problem is how we view jobs and tasks. Furthermore, most people can perform a minimum-wage job with very little mental effort. Jobs paying higher wages usually require a higher level of education or analytical abilities. Some jobs do not take into consideration stress or the physical aspects of the job. Some could be worked to the bone for poor pay, while others sit all day on a chair, fiddling with things on a computer. A physical job should be paid more since it is harder work, but that is not the case in most cases,. Changing wages in some sectors would require fundamentally rethinking how they affect people's health and physical bodies, but employers would have to change their behavior too. Employers are also reticent to pay higher wages. Since we put capitalism and commercialism above people's lives in many ways. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    highly subsidised by the state through HAP.

    This is a problem.

    No reason to lower rents because what the tenant can't afford the tax payer shores up. Should be rentals workers can afford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    If you are earning minimum wage, what would make you think you should expect average standards?

    Average includes people earning higher and people earning lower. If you are getting minimum, why would you expect to be higher than someone else who isn't at minimum level?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭livingdgx




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    Whos going to question it when it works out just as good the employee, WFP is not taken into account for full medical card, Student Grants, rent allowance etc..., so the employer down the road who offers a reasonable living wage at interview and the employee under same circumstance's takes the job can end up taking home the same wage as someone claiming WFP, but as the wage is taxable (WFP isn't) and 100% of this is taken into account when applying for above can lose out in getting the benefits, i think one of the above post by ChocolateIce as already mention similar, this particle employer as been in business 20 yrs, since WFP started this as always been his approach.



  • Posts: 4,575 [Deleted User]


    20 years ago, people weren't as clued up on their rights.

    He'd probably be wise to change his ways now before someone he doesn't offer a job to takes a case against him to the WRC under the Employment Equality Acts. They can be awarded up to €12,697.

    Example of such a case:

    and reaction:

    https://thoughtleadership.leman.ie/post/102ek1k/interviews-what-not-to-ask

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,251 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35




  • Posts: 4,575 [Deleted User]


    Which she wouldn't have gotten if the interviewer hadn't asked such inappropriate questions in the first place, even qualified their questions by stating in advance they knew they shouldn't be asking them!

    “I shouldn’t be asking you this, but…. Are you a married woman?’ Do you have children? How old are your children?”

    What the hell were they thinking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,251 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    We are a very soft society if someone gets over 7 k for being asked if she was married and had kids, there was a time when he would have been told to mind his own business because it was nothing to do with the interview and that would be the end of it.

    But now everyone wants money for jam and its the rest of us that foot the bill.



  • Posts: 4,575 [Deleted User]


    Instead of aiming your ire at the person who was asked inappropriate questions in an interview setting, why don't you aim it at the person who asked her the inappropriate questions in the first place? Your ire is misplaced.

    This woman didnt go into this interview, looking for a way to make money out of it. She felt she was discriminated against on grounds of family status during the interview and she took a case, which she was entitled to do. The case was found in her favour. Women are far too frequently discriminated against if they have children or are of childbearing age, so good on her for standing up for herself.

    The lesson here is, if you're an employer, don't ask candidates (of any gender) questions about their marital or family status during an interview, unless you're prepared to risk the interviewee bringing a case to the WRC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    Quite a few youngsters on minimum wage have the most up to date Iphones and Nike trainers dont feel a bit sorry for them. Their priorities are skewed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64




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  • Posts: 4,575 [Deleted User]


    I don't agree their priorities are skewed. Youngsters that still live at home while also working should be able to have some of the nicer things in life.

    They will have serious responsibilities for long enough.

    When we were youngsters my mother worked by the rule hand up 30% / save 30% / enjoy the rest.

    And if that means they spend "the rest" on an expensive phone or a pair of designer shoes, fair play to them, they earned it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Many of them have given up saving for a home as they'll never manage it.

    Might as well have a phone to look at whilst their in their Tent by the riverbank at night time meanwhile Larry Goodman etc can collect the rent on his hundreds of properties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,963 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    If he's asking those questions at an interview in Ireland, he's a very foolish and incompetent boss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,800 ✭✭✭893bet


    People make poor choices when young (often driven by poor choices that were made by their parents) and end up in poor paid jobs long term. You average income over your life is often defined by the decisions made aged 16-22 (not always but for the most part).


    Its also worth nothing that if everyone stopped making the “poor choices” (by poor choices I mean not doing pursuing a in demand trade) and ended up pursuing higher paid options then the labour supply would chance and those jobs would no longer pay as well and the worse paying jobs would be forced to pay more to attract people.


    Everyone can’t be an Engineer/accountant/dentist etc etc etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭cafflingwunts


    Derrycourt.

    Securitas.

    Noonan.

    Synergy.

    MCR Security

    Those are some of the biggest minimum wage employers in Dublin alone and they have an abundance of exploited workers with barely any English.

    (And before some smart arse posts a link to their latest job offering on jobs.ie with a 15p/h start rate, they hire these people exclusively through word of mouth)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Its a national scandal but no-one cares... I remember here in a thread about Dublin inadequate Airport salary of €14 an hour some ignorant arrogant bollix said... he replied how he had spent years in college... pirck... not every person can go to college...

    race to the bottom...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I do not blame them at all... whatever works... we need to nurture our talent... all human...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,822 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    It's a simple numbers game, and a simply fact that the world would not function without everyone playing their part. The argument that the thousands working in McDonalds , Supermarkets, Restaurants ect should go become Doctors is a poor argument.

    The Government should supplement the wages of those on minimum wage, through a savings scheme of some sort. 500 a month tax free, that the individual can cash out after 5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Same could be said for some people who haven't experienced working a shite job for shite pay.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,711 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Minimum wage is for kids,no adult paying bills should be working for it and by taking these jobs the practice is been encouraged.

    I run a small retail business, we pay around 12 an hour, all my competitors are paying the minimum. We have way less turnover of staff, less absences and less expense on having extra staff to train in. Minimum wage is counter productive for everyone imo.



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