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Minimum Wage - How can you survive ?

  • 29-04-2022 10:03am
    Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭ Quitelife

    Met two people this week working minimum wage both going packing in their jobs because they cant survive on the minimum wage plus their treated very poorly at best.

    One works in a manufacturing factory where there was some issue with a machine which stalled production which meant they had to ring the boss in some corporate tent at Punchestown racecourse which resulted in them been fcuked out of it and threatened with their pay been docked this week over machine going down and wait till i get back to the office threats etc etc.

    The other works in a well known fast food chain and burned her hand with cooking oil and was given a bit of spray to keep going or you'll be sacked plus you still owe us X Euro for your uniform.She sleeps on a couch in a friends house as she cant afford to rent anywhere presently.

    How are people supposed to live renting on minimum wage? Is it any wonder some employers cant get staff. They could do what Keelings or meat factories do - go to the poorest most desperate part of Bulgaria or Latvia and put them in caravans or 6 to a bedroom . 10.50 minimum wage needs to increase significantly is the bottom line .



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 62,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011

    In a house share, and/or with significant state support (FIS, HAP).

  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭ Quitelife

    Would a single person get FIS, didnt think so?

    if you get 400 euro net for 40 hours work would you rent somewhere ie a house share 200 a week ? leaves you with 200 to feed , clouth yourself and get to work? Dole cant be much less

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  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭ Quitelife

    Theres no doubt theres a lot of profitable Businesses that could pay their staff quite a bit more than minimum wage but prefer to make the top table incredibly rich rather than treat their staff more fairly . Greed and no morals is whats its called .

    Some bosses enjoy looking at their staff knowing they've nothing and a weeks pay away from homelessness.

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 62,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011

    Nothing is structured for single people on low wages. Was going to say "these days" but its been that way for decades if not ever really.

    Until equal pay legislation it was common for a single man to be paid less than a married man (and a woman to be paid less than both) doing the same work in the same job. Even civil service pay scales!

  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭ Quitelife

    An interesting story. Outside of your qualifications you'd imagine experienced , problem solving older staff who have a head on their shoulders would be in demand and they'd be more loyal to the employer.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭ Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

    I didn’t mean that upskilling was horseshyte, just the notion that people shouldn’t feel entitled to a certain lifestyle even on the minimum wage.

    If it’s necessary to live multiple to a room/house in order to survive, that’s a sign of a failed housing policy. It doesn’t take into account the needs of a whole section of society. Students, the unskilled and single adults who may also need to support a previous relationship/family in addition to themselves.

    Folks scoff at Sinn Fein but I’ve yet to be convinced that the FFG duopoly are going to suddenly come up with the answers.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,319 ✭✭✭ Jinglejangle69

    Oh look another Ireland is a kip thread.

    From someone who probably has never been outside of Ireland only to sunny Spain or Paris.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭ Ginger83

    I fully agree with this and here's an example. A large food producer in the north east is the finest example of this. Major turnover of staff with majority on minimum wage. Sh1t hours where staff are just told randomly at 5.50pm that they are staying until 10pm. If an employee seeks a pay increase the reply is that they pay the position, not the person. One of the attitudes openly spoken by boss to others about the staff is you have to keep them down.

    I don't think it will ever change in companies like this. They are rubbing their hands together with this war but what can you do, people want their super 6.

  • Posts: 0 Janessa Big Skier

    So I've often been told (at least that was the logic years ago)... but Ireland marches to a different beat than other countries.

    I've spoken to a variety of old friends who are established here, and the response tends to be "it is what it is" rather than any practical explanation of how to get around it.. it's like as if people don't really know what's accepted anymore.

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  • id agree with most of this thread and mosy of yr post tbh but you think students should all have their own houses?

    no doubt FG have done far too little about housing and they have seen the effects at the polls- staggering that they still drag their feet in taking action tbh

    my faith in SF addressing it while running an actual country besides? zero.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭ dotsman

    Not sure if trolling and trying to take the piss out of SF voters. But, if you are being serious, then you are the very definition of a SF voter. Absolutely incapable of taking care of yourself and insisting that everyone else wipe your ass for you.

    P.S. The last 3 decades have been phenomenal for Ireland from an Economic term and have been the only 3 decades where, not only have we had a great quality-of-life/standard-of-living, but we have been amongst the top countries on planet for having so.

    Does that mean things are perfect? No, far from it, but anyone that can't make a comfortable life for themselves in Ireland is going to struggle big-time in 95% of other countries.

    If you are talking about the 30-year-old property crisis, then I'm afraid to inform you that Sinn Fein is the very epitome of the cause of the crisis.

  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭ cafflingwunts

    By living off your family.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,243 ✭✭✭ Nuts102

    Also part time workers be it single parents or a two parent family needing extra income.

    If we only had students working minimum wage jobs then the country would collapse and businesses would close.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭ Furze99

    Bullsh*t and just shows that your OP is not a genuine query but just another Shinnerbot thread.

    As for SF doing anything about the multiple issues they keep banging on about, forget it. They have one and only one item on the primary agenda - a border poll. All else is subservient to that ballot box strategy raison d'etre.

  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭ Quitelife

    Excellent piece if rather sad.

    Things are bad here for those in the UK things are very very bad, parents not eating to feed their children , going to foodbanks every week.

    Restaurant workers eating what customers dont eat off the plate because they cant afford food after rent , are we going down that road to make the rich richer?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78

    this is a difficult one, yes some businesses can afford to pay more, but many, particularly most sme's cant, pup should have remained in place for many of these employees, but reduced if returned to work, this would have reduced pressure on all involved, provided the economy with more money, maintaining a higher level of economic activities, but since it didnt happen, expect rising tensions, business failures and unemployment!