How can we curtail bus lane misuse

So you'd prefer them to either cross into the bus lane to pick up a fare or for the passenger to cross the bus lane to the stopped taxi (in the live traffic lane) get in and then the taxi to pull into the bus lane because he now has a passenger! Hmm doesn't bode well for VRUs IMO

You're the one who asked

If you don't want to engage then please, feel free not to.

Maybe when you answer my questions instead of just ignoring them

TBF I only used to frequent and post on the cycling forum when cyclists erred in their interpretation of road and traffic law, such as the use of the term "I was indicating and they wouldn't allow me to merge or whatever the cyclist wanted to do" and also TBF my last post in the cycling forum was how many years ago?

With my general regard to cyclists I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with them when they obey road traffic regulations.

EDIT

Did a search, the search engine on new boards seems to be crap but anyway, last post I put on cycling forum would seem to have been this one

"Road tax is any tax charged for the use of a road.

Road tax is also any tax used for the upkeep of a road.

Therefore Motortax is a roadtax."

in 2013

That,s actually a very good point... maybe a congestion charge for working people where public transport available...

How successfully is park and ride working in Dublin and in other cities...

TBH I've never understood the bus lanes where they revert to traffic lanes between 10.00 am and 12.00am or whatever hours but dealing with 24 hour bus lanes still begs the question how many 24 hour bus routes are there? If a bus route isn't 24 hours then why make the bus lane 24 hours?

As is usual, people don't actually think their arguments through. Putting a bus lane in doesn't equate to better PT unless you invest in more buses. How long should a bus user wait for a bus 30 mins? 15 Mins? 5 mins? How do you provide a shorter interval time except by having more buses. Ah you say, but the buses are getting to their destinations quicker therefore they can make more journeys, however, you neglect to factor in driver fatigue and break times. So back to the basic premise of if you want better PT you can't just make bus lanes and hope it will work.

As to bus connects, renaming your routes as H1,H2,H3 or C whatever number you first think off doesn't equate to a better service without additional buses, where I live, we brought 26 years ago and was told the DART will be running to Balbriggan in 5-10 years, guess what, they are still selling houses off the plans with the promise of the DART being onto Balbriggan in the next 10 years or so, so I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting on new buses to fulfill the PT need any time soon. Maybe before the DART gets extended but not soon.

Now on to the capacity argument. How many cars (regardless of occupancy) can pass a bus stop in the time it takes 4 scheduled buses to pass the same stop. Lets do some simple math so that you can understand.

Bus carries 95 passengers (most popular model in DB fleet according to Wiki, B5TL Euro 6 ) so let's run that at FULL capacity and a 15 min service interval, which would mean past a given point you could move a maximum 380 Pax (95x4). Now assuming you haven't squashed all the cars into a single lane to accommodate the bus, how many cars with single occupancy can you move past a given point?

According to https://www.omnicalculator.com/everyday-life/traffic-density

If we allow a 5kph speed and headway (distance between vehicles) your throughput is in the region of 2500 vehicles an hour, now I do realise that it doesn't necessarily equate in real life with traffic lights, cyclists, poor drivers etc. causing stop start traffic conditions but it's NOT as clear cut as you like to make out.

Anyways after you lot dragging it off topic ( YET AGAIN) what advantage is there to 24 hour bus lanes without the 24 hour bus service to use them?

But do you feel, as the OP said that all bus lanes should be 24 hour. I'd agree if there are 24 hour bus timetables ( and as you said there are 7 with more to come ) then there might be a case for them but I'd still wonder when the frequency drops to the 1 bus an hour between 21.54 and 03.54 do you need 24 hour bus lanes?

Personally unless they change the rules on taxis and bus lanes it doesn't affect me, but I just don't see the logic in removing space that could be better utilised between those sort of hours.

I've put a bold bit in because of people who like to miss out sections of a post to try and score a point.

PT is not just about getting from A-B in a shorter time, it relies on convenience, like the waiting time between buses. If the buses finish their journeys earlier then you need more buses following them to maintain the timetable.

As for break times being irrelevant, I think we should ask a bus driver if he feels that his break times are irrelevant.