Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

JK Rowling

24

Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    His wife lost work and they were threatened, the police were coming round to their home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Graham Linehan has spent about 10 years bullying and harassing trans people online. Gas how people try to play this down and paint him as the victim.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    “Its the truth.” So is the fact that only a woman can bear a child. Only a woman can have a womb. No matter how much one may wish it otherwise, it’s a fact. Saying so doesn’t mean one is transphobic.



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Analyse all you want. You are reading too much into the Harry Potter books and projecting your own pet obsessions into the books. You are on a par with some born again Christian loons(and their Islamic counterparts) that are convinced that the harry potter books promote satanism.

    EDIT. THIS thread us godwinned already



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cool story. Still waiting on the evidence that Dennis Kavanagh is homophobic, upon which this whole thread is based.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    People are free to call themselves whatever they wish. They can do whatever they like to their bodies. But only a female with a womb can give birth. Call her a girl or a woman, but do not deny her gender.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Poster who has the audacity to tell me what my 'pet' obsessions are and whom I can be compared to based on an anon post in a thread on a discussion forum also claims I am 'reading too much' into a series of books.

    Oh the irony.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    There's a lot of that in this thread. Cis Straight people jumping in to tell us what homophobia and transphobia is and they know best etc.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    To me homophobia and transphobia is an irrational hatred of homosexuals and transgender people. What I resent is anyone denying one’s natural born gender and the biology of reproduction. No matter what a female calls her/it/their selves, only a genetically born female can give birth. Fact.

    This is a case of agreeing to differ. I won’t change your mind any more than you could change mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    "I resent anyone denying one's natural born gender"


    What you on about? Where's this happening then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Indeed. Thats your understanding of what homophobia and transphobia is but not your actual experience of it. The point I have continuously made in this thread is that many who have never personally experienced homophobia or transphobia are descending on the thread to tell us their understanding and their definition. I was condescending earlier in referring to this as straightsplaining but its also condescending to tell those of us who have actually experienced it what it actually is/isnt.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    “I was condescending earlier in referring to this as straightsplaining but its also condescending to tell those of us who have actually experienced it what it actually is/isnt.”

    So, please enlighten us.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭cloudatlas




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod note to all posters - Please do not link dump. If you're pasting an article please given us at least one line of commentary on it, either a brief summary of what it is or, ideally, your own thoughts on it and why you feel it is relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Harry Potter author JK Rowling under fire for defending woman sacked over comments against transgender athletes in sport



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - The thread has been tidied up somewhat and a number of posts have been deleted. Can we please keep the dicussion civil and above all can posters familiarize themselves with the LGBT forum charter - this is not the CA forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    No proof of JKR being homophobic has been presented in this thread, which is what this thread is about.

    I'm willing to consider further evidence if there is any presented.

    Something more convincing than hand clap emoji's please lol



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,384 ✭✭✭raclle


    Contrary to belief JKR is not a trans/homophobe and the OPs accusations are circumstantial.

    This thread is a farce



  • Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    Youre doing an awful lot of assuming about people and their experiences here. Who are you to say whether people have experienced homophobia or transphobia before? Who are you to say your experience of it is more relevant than someone else's?

    You're saying that only people who've been the subject of homophobia can know what it is, fine. Does that go for other forms of abuse? Can you not know rape until you've been raped? Can you not define violence without being attacked? how about something less extreme, rudeness? Do you need to have experienced that before you can tell people what is rude? Doesn't make sense in those cases, so why would it for homophobia?

    Besides if homophobia can only be defined subjectively then how can we ever condemn someone for being homophobic, since they can only know what it is by living it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    By their friends ye shall know them

    A wee luncheon hosted by Mz Rowling this month is co-incidentally a who's who of GCs in the UK.

    So much TERF in this photo Eamon Ryan is thinking of banning digging up more.


    Here we have JK blowing that well known transphobic dog whistle that claims it's just a cover for men to abuse women.

    Rowling said she was worried that “the new trans activism” was eroding women and girls’ rights to single-sex spaces by “offering cover to predators”.

    “I believe my government is playing fast and loose with womens and girls’ safety,” she wrote.

    “When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman ... then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside.”

    As if predators need an excuse, or does she think a door will magically stop a man intent on carrying out an assault in a public space?

    What has actually happened is butch cis women have been assaulted, threatened by security and generally 'excluded from single-sex' spaces through fear and intimidation.

    I am a biological female who identifies as a woman. I am not, for any intents or purposes, transgender. But as a non-gender conforming butch lesbian, I have my own tiny window into our nation’s current political debate about bathrooms—the always looming fear that easily slips into shame, and the occasional outright harassment, all because I have to pee. And that’s from using the bathrooms that I “should” be using according to vicious anti-transgender bills sweeping the nation.

    https://time.com/4322953/north-carolina-mississippi-bathroom-bills/


    Rowling's transphobic rhetoric is literally feeding anti-butch lesbian homophobia.

    A butch lesbian who has been threatened, assaulted and intimidated while using the women’s bathroom is warning of the growing attacks on gender non-conforming people using public toilets.

    Eloise Stonborough, 32, who presents as butch – a woman whose gender expression and traits present as typically ‘masculine’ – said she is challenged on using a women’s toilet roughly every one in three times she uses a public facility, with the attacks increasing significantly over the last two years.

    https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/butch-lesbian-public-toilet-women-abuse-government-review-gender-neutral-facilities-833787



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,384 ✭✭✭raclle


    Where exactly in that comment is proof she's transphobic? You're speculating based on your own biased views



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    What do you thinks she is saying here then:

    "Rowling said she was worried that “the new trans activism” was eroding women and girls’ rights to single-sex spaces by “offering cover to predators”.

    “I believe my government is playing fast and loose with womens and girls’ safety,” she wrote.

    “When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman ... then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside.”


    or here:

    ""I refuse to bow down to a movement that I believe is doing demonstrable harm in seeking to erode ‘woman’ as a political and biological class and offering cover to predators like few before it,"

    What's her issue here?

    Aren't people who menstruate people?

    Do only women menstruate? What about transgender men?

    Do you have to menstruate to be considered a woman? My Mam stopped menstruating when she was 37 - do I have to tell her she hasn't been a woman for over 50 years? Is she still counted as one of the people?


    I would appreciate your insight into how none of these are transphobic dogwhistles - even though the leaders of the Gender Critical movement believe they are, and had a fine time telling Mz JK how delighted she made them at their recent luncheon hosted by JK herself.

    They are going to be some very disappointed TERFS if JK turns out to not be 'gender critical'.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Oh look, there's the lovely Suzanne Moore who recently outed the obnoxious lgbt activist Owen Jones as a bully last week. Good for her, we all knew something like this was going to transpire sooner or later.

    Anyways, in a reply to me asking for some proof of JKR being a homophobe which is what this thread is about, not for you to get things off your chest, you present to me a photo of JKR in the company of at least 5 homosexuals out to lunch as evidence. I wasn't expecting anyone to present evidence that supports my case, so, thanks!

    As for the latter point you make I have no reason to believe a word of any of those accounts. Particularly because I know the lengths trans activist allies go to to make false allegations as seen in this thread.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Simple really. If at the céilí or the set you line up on the left-hand side, you're a man, and if you line up on the right-hand side, you're a woman. Seriously, everyone knows that. Your choice, and your call. Regrettably for anyone who wishes to identify in anything other than such a binary fashion, dancing protocols don't really recognise any other genders, and once you've lined up on the right or the left no-one with an ounce of wit or sense gives a feck what kind of genitals you have.

    Oh, and what the **** would some people do without Twatface (or whatever it's called) to fuel their outrage?

    Fáilte chuig mo Thedchaint. Ní bheidh mé ag glacadh ceisteanna ag an bpointe seo. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Translation:

    I will not accept any evidence, I will, however, introduce an utterly irrelevant topic - while later declaring what this thread is about - again.

    Then I will make a point of calling the women at the forefront of the GC movement - (who make an enormously big deal, with the support of JKR, about being both biological women and 'butch' lesbians and claim that trans activists seek to render them invisible) - the gender neutral term 'homosexuals'.

    I will also demonstrate my complete and utter disregard for JKR's big publicity stunt by referring to it as "out to lunch".

    To finish up I will once again insinuate that any issue is in the minds of those members of the LGBTQ community voicing concerns, including those posting in this thread, thereby ending my whole nothing to see here themed monologue with a spot of gaslighting.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    There are those who insist that people who should line up on the left are lining up on the right only so they can rape the people who literally own the right. Some of them are also there to win all the medals in women's sports.

    It is as yet unclear why those who, according to the biology imperative posse, should be lining up on the right but are in fact lining up on the left are hoping to achieve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I see JKR is promoting Lesbian Awareness Week today, if any more evidence was needed what a nasty homophobe she is.

    And that's Allison Bailey marching for LGB rights. Very odd kind of self hating homophobe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Since you are such an expert on the Alison Bailey you dismissed in your last post as a" homosexual" (talk about yer lesbian invisibility) care to tell us her views on transgender women?

    After all, you are quick to point out what this thread is about when it suits your purpose - so - what does Mz Bailey have to say about Transgender women?

    As for JKR promoting Lesbian Awareness Week - can we now assume she will suddenly become aware that one of the HP characters was a lesbian all this time but we'll have to wait for the pre-prequel, Invisible Sapphics and the Single-Sex Toilets, to find out who?

    Anyone care to place bets on who it will be?

    Any character liked DIY, had short hair, and favoured Doc Martens?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Since you are such an expert on the Alison Bailey you dismissed in your last post as a" homosexual" (talk about yer lesbian invisibility) care to tell us her views on transgender women?

    I'm not an expert on Aliison Bailey, the only reason I know of her is because of media reports that she is suing Stonewall UK, the case starts today I believe.

    You do know what homosexuality means don't you, it means of one who is sexually attracted to owns own sex, which means lesbians are homosexuals, so Allison Bailey is a homosexual. I would have thought being a homosexual yourself you'd know that. Or are you saying when 'gay' marriage was given the green light it only applied to gay men and not lesbians?

    I haven't a clue what Allison Bailey has to say about transgender women, as I said I'm not an expert on her, apparently it is you that is the expert.

    The only purpose I'm interested in in this thread is to show as I've already shown that no proof of JKR being homophobic has been given and in doing so expose the tactics of the Leftist trans allies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Your lack of expertise hasn't prevented you from commenting thus far.

    You not only lack expertise of the topic of Mz Bailey, it is abundantly clear you haven't a gendered notion what "lesbian viability" means in the context JKR is promoting it. Or why is is a battle cry of the CG Movement.

    You do feel qualified to come into the LGBT forum and lecture people on what is, and is not, transphobia and homophobia despite an obvious lack of expertise in being a victim of either of those.

    You don't even appear to have expertise in going beyond the first few entries of a google search.

    Taken all of this into consideration what you do have in abundance is brass neck when you accuse others of bias.


    This is Allison Bailey - insisting she be allowed to refer to Trans Women as 'Men' during her case against Stonewall. THAT is transphobia.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Your lack of expertise hasn't prevented you from commenting thus far.

    You not only lack expertise of the topic of Mz Bailey, it is abundantly clear you haven't a gendered notion what "lesbian viability" means in the context JKR is promoting it. Or why is is a battle cry of the CG Movement.

    I don't know why you think I need to be an expert on Bailey to show you have no proof that JKR is homophobic. Your whole post is making the argument that JK and Bailey are transphobic, but that's not what this thread is about, therefore all you say there is completely irrelevant.

    You do feel qualified to come into the LGBT forum and lecture people on what is, and is not, transphobia and homophobia despite an obvious lack of expertise in being a victim of either of those.

    I was qualified enough to know what's relevant in this thread and that is that Dennis Kavanage is gay, clearly isn't homophobic, which obviously the OP and Twitter activist Comerford didn't know, because if they did they they wouldn't have been that dim to make the accusation that Rowling is homophobic but is nonetheless colluding with transphobic homophobic homosexuals.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,384 ✭✭✭raclle


    You're the epitome of a misogynist. Yes we are all very much aware the LGBT community wants to be heard as they forever wallow in self pity but are going the wrong way about it by attacking people through misconception and being loud and obnoxious. I wonder whatever happened to free speech or having an opinion that is biologically true? Oh no this self righteous community doesn't want to hear that...well guess what nobody **** cares!!!


    Mod - Threadbanned

    Post edited by Ten of Swords on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    This popped up in my FB memories from 7 years ago.

    How appropriate given the recent upsurge in those who make it clear they don't think LGBT people are like 'them' - who now, thanks to the GC Movement and it's willing homosexual lackies, feel emboldened to spread the hate again.

    Such sad, pathetic, hate-filled creatures they are. But do not pity them. Take it from this old Dyke. They are not worthy to be the dirt beneath our sensible shoes, or even the wet wipes we use to remove our glitter.

    They fear our fabulous.

    Our honesty in living our lives as who we are, not who they think we should be, shines a spotlight on their cowardice.

    Highlights their lives of stifling conformity.

    They fear to dance while we trip the light fantastic.

    They cannot dare to even dream it, while we have the courage to be it.

    They will twist words, gaslight us, scream in faux outrage when challenged, roar their battle cry that being called phobic is worse than being phobic. Some will seek our deaths.

    All participants in a spectrum of hate.

    This is nothing new. For millennia this has been the way.

    They won't go away. But neither will we.

    We're Here.

    We're Queer.

    Get used to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,247 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Do you interact with many people like this in reality on a day to day basis, or are all these hate mongers purely limited to what you're reading on Twitter?

    If so, refer to post 10 in this thread.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Do you lecture members of minorities in real life or are you only brave when you are posting anonymously?

    Gotta love the people who pop into the LGBT forum to gaslight us from the safety of their keyboards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Agreed @Bannasidhe underneath it all when you scratch the surface it really is the growth of a hate movement that first targeted trans people and is now targeting LGB people. Groups like the LGB alliance are literally foaming at the mouth bigoted hate groups. The evidence is there. In Ireland their 2 members decided to try and cancel LGBT bullying programmes. Shameful transphobia and homophobia that is a threat to us all.

    And funnily enough all of the doomsday scenarios some in the UK have been shouting would happen havent happened here. 7 years we have had Self ID. No issues.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,063 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    @raclle dont post in this thread again.

    Abusive posting and coming to this forum to insult the LGBT community (from the above quote - wallow in self pity, loud and obnoxious, self centred community) rarely end well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    This is such a strange thread. It consists of you and the other poster just agreeing with each other that JK Rowling is homophobic now, and how that's terrible. Then any time anyone asks what makes her so, or shows why they think she might not be, you ignore it or point out how transphobic she is. Which, objectively speaking by any current definition she is. I try to discuss how she became homophobic and you shot that down.

    So what's the point of the thread? For you and @Bannasidhe to agree with each harder? I mean if you're not going to engage at all is it not just soap-boxing? What are you trying to achieve?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yeah I shot it down because effectively you were gaslighting and victim blaming. Others were doing that too as well as trying to claim victimhood on behalf of JKR. To paraphrase Panti its a bit of a neat Orwellian trick that the homophobes/transphobes become the victims.

    The point of the the thread was to point out that Gender Critical ideology doesnt just attack trans people, we can now see its starting to lash out at LGB people and that the hate fuelled ideology from it is becoming worse.

    I have UK trans friends who are sick and tired of the constant extremist hate rhetoric about them, about their lives. They are genuinely terrified about their future in a country where they are literally every day treated as pure scum of the earth by Mainstream media and politicians. Twitter fuels this further. And as a result street harassment and violence is increasing. Reported incidents of transphobic hate crime across the UK are hugely increasing in the last few years. Trans people are now living in a climate of nervousness and fear because of all this extremist hate rhetoric. In this thread there was no understanding from some posters of what I just described but also a complete unwillingness to understand it. If I felt people wanted to genuinely listen about trans peoples experiences not just come in to berate me I probably would have engaged more. Trans people have been dehumanised by media, politicians, twitter. Why would I engage with people here who also want to dehumanise them? Some of the posters in here were coming at the issues from quite a transphobic point of view. The point of the lgbt forum was never for posters to have to be subjected to a lot of transphobia/homophobia.

    Post edited by Annasopra on

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    So someone is wearing a 'Lesbian not queer' tshirt. I didn't think that was a controversial thing. To be honest I have preferred to say I'm Lesbian/Gay rather than queer because anybody who bullied me about it always used those words so I want to take ownership of who I am. My flatmate says she is queer but is obviously bi-sexual. I'm kind of confused about the Queer vs thing.

    I know a gay man who now identifies as trans and says he is 'pan' and 'poly' but he can't be 'poly' because she isn't attracted to cis gender women?

    Also on the word 'TERF'. Jon Ronson does a podcast episode on it https://podcastaddict.com/episode/134492674 and the origins are not negative in the sense that it was just delineating a certain group and not used as a slur word.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭CrookedJack



    I don't think I was doing either of those things, I wasn't even disagreeing with you, I was trying to explore the point you made - That Rowling had gone from someone you thought had some kind of morals to being a homophobe. That's how conversations work, you say something I talk about it. If the only thing you'll engage with is parroting your own point back to you then it is soap boxing.

    If the point of your thread is as you state above then why are you cantering the OP around JK Rowling, yet refusing to engage on discussing JK Rowling's homophobia. You're gate-keeping the definition of homophobia - deciding who can or can not discuss whether someone is homophobic. You also do a whole lot of, frankly disgusting, assuming about the people posting here. How is that helping people to understand your point? I mean, three pages in I had to outright ask you what you wanted here, I was so baffled by your style of engagement.

    You say the point of your thread is about how transphobic hatred becomes more extreme and homophobic. Yet you also say there's no understanding of this in the thread and you're not really willing to engage to build that understanding. This is clear in that the only person you have engaged with is someone who completely agrees with you but this is hardly serving the purpose of the thread. Again, if you're only going to engage with people who already completely agree this is just a soap-boxing thread.

    Incidentally, if you're not willing to engage with anyone, and just respond sarcastically or unhelpfully you are doing the opposite of increasing awareness which is your stated intention. In fact you are polarising people moving them further away from a place of understanding. Adding fuel to the fire of this conversation. You should examine whether that is your real purpose here, to stir up opposition and increase the volume. That's certainly a logical assumption of your actual motivations.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So as things stand, if someone is unwilling to ignore biology, and is unwilling to accept that a person who is male/a man can be a female/a woman, or that biological women are intrinsically different to biological men, that is transphobic?

    Saying that individuals can change their sex is surely more dehumanising. Humans can't change their sex.



  • Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think crooked jack has hit the nail on the head with the above post.

    I’m no further to understanding why Jk Rowling is homophobic. All I’ve seen are rants about her.



  • Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭CrookedJack


    Your point is basically that you don't believe these opinion are transphobic because you don't believe in transgender as a concept. Sure you can see that that is by definition transphobic. If mean if it's not, what WOULD be transphobic in your opinion?

    But that's not the point being raised here. What is or is not transphobic is besides the point. We're trying to discuss whether people who hold those opinion will over time start targeting LGB people and if/how that is happening with JK Rowling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    I provided several examples of comment's by Rowling where she directly links transgender women with sexual predators. Echos of the attempts made to link gay men to paedophiles - which is now expanding to include all trans supportive cis LGB people. We are being called "groomers". But apparently JKR had no hand or part in that.

    I provided several examples of Rowling on social media celebrating her links to the leading lights of the Gender Critical Movement, and giving them her unqualified support. But hanging out with people who own their transphobic, supporting people who own their transphobia, publicising people who own their transphobia apparently does not make one a transphobe.

    I was met with fingers in the ears denial and whatabouts.

    I asked one poster to give me an interpretation of Rowling's comments that showed they were not transphobic - I was answered with a homophobic diatribe.

    Then it was stated that myself and Annaspora are soapboxing - that is up to the mods to decide, not some random poster who pops into the LGBT forum to tell members of the community how wrong we are, how mistaken we are about what we are experiencing, and generally trying to define us according to the principle of "as I understand it".

    Rather than counter the points being made - and the evidence supplied - the main tactic has been to attack members of the LGBT community who are trying to have a discussion in the one forum designated a safe space for Trans people. Apparently trans people can't even have this one little corner of this whole site as a space where they don't have to listen to constant invalidation of their existence.

    Rowling is still at it by the way, currently she is busy defining what a lesbian is. Straightsplaining at it's finest. I can safely say I have far more experience of what being a lesbian is than either a straight woman or most of the she's not transphobic posse rushing to her defence in this thread and I reject her definition outright. No doubt there will now be posts telling me I am mistaken -and I bet none of them will be written by a lesbian.

    If it quacks like a duck, hangs out in the pond with the ducks - chances are it's a duck. Show us the evidence she is a swan if that is what you think she is.



  • Advertisement
This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement