JK Rowling

Annasopra

JK Rowlings slow demise into supporting bitter spiteful transphobia and homophobia is really an example for all. I used to fundamentally disagree with her but deep down thought she had some morals. Her continuous siding with people who only spew out vicious bile and hatred against trans people AND lgb people shows deep down that opposition to trans rights is more than that at face value and she has no morals. Whatsoever.

https://twitter.com/AidanCTweets/status/1516901852314587136?t=y15NGDDIG9BUBmOpZjkDIg&s=19

https://twitter.com/AidanCTweets/status/1517031158403457024?t=YVyE7RyxbYhJqyZteKf5lA&s=19

AllForIt

https://twitter.com/AidanCTweets/status/1516901852314587136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1516901852314587136%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fdiscussion%2F2058242805%2Fjk-rowling

I'd be quite confident in guessing correctly that the reason Dennis Noel Kavanage was 'unbanned' from Twitter is because he is gay. Therefore neither he nor JK can be accused of being homophobic based on what was tweeted by Comeford. I do understand the desperate desire of some to claim JK is though in an attempt to further defame her character but this attempt by Comeford was a big fat fail. Guilt by association is not a bad tactic but the problem here is - there was no association in the first place. How funny. Well not really because some people will believe it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/r%C3%B3is%C3%ADn-meets-podcast-i-had-everything-i-ever-wanted-and-i-was-delighted-1.3271109

Comerford is what some would call a 'Cic-Het' ally. Ally's are the worst on this topic because they are usually just Antifa types going after people they can accuse of be some -ism or phobe, as seen on his twitter page. He says in his bio he's not an activists yet all his tweets are majority trans related. Odd.

https://www.newsweek.com/new-homophobia-opinion-1698969

https://twitter.com/AidanCTweets/status/1517633023403040771

What qualifies Comerford to say that the above article published in Newsweek is 'arrant nonsense'. How the hell would he know if it's arrant nonsense or not. He hasn't got a clue whether it is or isn't, he's just belligerently responding in the hope some sucker will take his word for it. Which prolly explains why he spends a lot of time on Twitter.

Annasopra

You are defending disgusting hate comments saying the AIDS pandemic is better than trans people existing. Shameful. Absolutely shameful. And saying that a comment like that cant be considered homophobic because it came from a gay man is frankly laughable and absurd.

JK Rowling is now very clearly on the side of homophobia and hate fuelled bigotry.

sam t smith

Strange thread. Why can’t people stop bullying Ms. Rowling.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118965590#Comment_118965590

This thread is not bullying JK Rowling. It is highlighting her continuous deep hatred of trans people is getting worse and now targeting lgb people and siding with extremist anti LGBT bigots.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118965611#Comment_118965611

This thread is not bullying JK Rowling. 

Yes it is. We already know your type say JK is a transpose, but you started the thread because you thought you had evidence that's she's homophobic as well. You have no evidence of any such thing as I have exposed and you're now looking rather foolish.

apache

Ridiculous

Annasopra

Yes I do say that clearly. JK Rowling is a transphobe and homophobe. That is not bullying. Its the truth.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118965778#Comment_118965778

I know right. The death of thousands and thousands from AIDS is supposedly better than trans people existing.

o1s1n

Threads like this make me glad twitter exists - as much as I hate it, it keeps all the lunatics in one place and is easy to ignore.

Id suggest you do the same, OP. Reading all this nonsense does nobodies brain any good.

Remove twitter from your life, all that goes with it and the world is a much nicer place.

eeepaulo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118965789#Comment_118965789

You need to go and read it again.

He said he prefers aids attacking his community to the (what he perceives as) trans activists attacking his community because he knows how to fight aids.

It's a clumsy horrible analogy but the strawman you have constructed is just wrong.

Bannasidhe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118965590#Comment_118965590

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118965732#Comment_118965732

"Your type"?

What "type" is that exactly?

The "type" who notes Mz Rawling's attendance at luncheons with out and proud GCs?

The "type" who questions the motivations behind liking such appalling comments as the one about AIDS victims?

Mz Rawling may not be a transpose but she most certainly is a transphobe, she is also notable for naming her 'ethnic' characters in a frankly off way, presenting her females characters as secondary to the males (strange thing for a self- proclaimed feminism to do...), and threatening to sue people for doxxing her when her home is on the bloody tourist map of Edinburgh.

We won't even go into her "I was poverty stricken" trope.

Or her I'm so supportive of homosexuals I forgot to mention Dumbledore was one until I had made my millions stunt.

No one here is bullying Mz Rawlings - it's a pity we can't say the same about Mz Rawlings.

Annasopra

Lol. Its like Pantigate all over in this thread again when homophobic Iona couldnt be called homophobic. 😅

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118965845#Comment_118965845

With Respect. I know whats there. I dont need things explained or to be told why Im supposedly wrong. Thanks anyway.

sam t smith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118965855#Comment_118965855

What is this Mz rubbish?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118965955#Comment_118965955

She's been spending years pushing this stuff. Now she's outright hung out with the transphobes. She's destroyed herself over there's the years and disrespected both transgender people and autistic people with her rhetoric. Somewhat telling that she was excluded from anything promotional as of late.

sam t smith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966281#Comment_118966281

What has this response got to to do with the question I asked?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118965732#Comment_118965732

"your type"?

What type is that?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966342#Comment_118966342

Ah it's just in reference to the fact you implied that people are somehow bullying Rowling rather than calling out her **** views. She gained prestige from Harry Potter, the fact she uses it to go after minorites deserves to be called out.

sam t smith

^ Funny how you are okay to ‘go after’ her because she expresses a view you disagree with.

Can someone explain the Mz?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966441#Comment_118966441

Its not just a "view disagreed with" at this stage. Funny how you're only worried about JK supposedly being bullied but dont seem to care about all the bullying of LGBT people caused by her

CrookedJack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058242805/jk-rowling

Interesting - there are other interpretations to what has happened with J.K Rowling you know.

For instance it could be seen as an example of how someone with morals but some disagreeable opinions can get radicalised and pushed towards extreme opinions by violently over-blown reactions to her comparatively reasonable positions.

Of course some of these other interpretations would mean acknowledging nuance, and that violently emotional responses are counter-productive.

sam t smith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966456#Comment_118966456

Are you only looking for responses that agree with you and join the ‘pile on’?

Why did you start this thread? Just to stir ****?

Annasopra

Lol at "violently over blown" and "violently emotional".

Sounds familiar. Sounds very very familiar.

Yeah no I've seen all that before

Interesting that JKRs extremism is acknowledged though

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966510#Comment_118966510

Its in the LGBT forum. This is about lgbt issues. I am discussing JKRs continuous hate speech against lgbt people.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966434#Comment_118966434

Did you get paid as an Iona propagandist by any chance? 😆

That's a bit rich when it was you that started the thread and you that is backing up Comerfords false claims. I didn't claim anything except expose as untrue your propaganda.

Its a vile disgusting homophobic and transphobic comment. Rowlings transphobic and homophobic hate speech are getting worse but sure go on and tell her how brilliant she is. 🤣

Careful now, you'll break your pearls. I never endorsed her in any way, only shown that you and Comerford have not proven that she's a homophobe. I'm not particularly interested in JK actually as I don't believe in centring the trans debate around one particular individual.

Meanwhile the vast majority of us in the LGBT community who know the truth of what her hate speech is now doing and will continue to call out her bigoted hatred.

That 'vast majority' wouldn't include anyone in the LGB Alliance would it. Or the Australian one or the US one. Or Douglas Murray or DNK or Martina Navratilova or Ben Apell etc etc etc.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966543#Comment_118966543

Did you go into the phonebox meeting for the Irish one?

raclle

Imagine if this mis-interpretation was the other way around.

I wonder would anyone defend JKR?

cuttingtimber22

I would have to say I am sympathetic to LGBTQ+ issues. Strong supporter of equal rights including marriage equality. Welcome very much a more equal and understanding workplace and society more generally. I was shocked at the recent killings and beatings of gay people.

however I find this cancelling of people like Graham Linehin and JK Rowling hard to stomach. Tolerance works both ways. If someone is pro-life I can respect their views even if I am pro choice.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966563#Comment_118966563

I wouldn't risk it unless I lived in a castle like JK. That way I could pour buckets of hot water down on top of the ideological zealots when the come for me.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966596#Comment_118966596

JKR hasnt been cancelled. Graham Linehan was kicked off twitter because he was constantly harassing and endangering trans women online. Also in real life.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966594#Comment_118966594

I know what homophobia is. You dont need to explain to me what you think homophobia is. Thanks anyway but Ill pass.

CrookedJack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966512#Comment_118966512

Ignoring my point to discuss my phrasing does not make it seem like you're interested in any real conversation here. Did you just open the thread so you can fight with people?

Annasopra

Im reminded of what Panti said 8 years ago

For the last three weeks, I have been lectured to by heterosexual people about what homophobia is, and about who is allowed to identify it. Straight people have lined up - ministers, senators, barristers, journalists - have lined up to tell me what homophobia is, and to tell me what I am allowed to feel oppressed by.

People who have never experienced homophobia in their lives, people who have never checked themselves at a pedestrian crossing, have told me that unless I am being thrown into prison, or herded onto a cattle truck, then it is not homophobia. And that feels opressive.

And so now, Irish gay people, we find ourselves in this ludicrous situation where we are not only not allowed to say publicly what we feel oppressed by, we’re not even allowed to think it, because the very definition - our definition - has been disallowed by our betters.

And for the last three weeks, I’ve been denounced - from the floor of the Oireachtas [the Irish parliament], to newspaper columns, to the seething morass of internet commentary - denounced for using hate speech because I dared to use the word ‘homophobia’, and a jumped-up queer like me should know that the word homophobia is no longer available to gay people. Which is a spectacular and neat Orwellian trick, because now it turns out that gay people are not the victims of homophobia, homophobes are the victims of homophobia.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966596#Comment_118966596

Linehan cancelled himself, his career, his marriage, his family, his life, because he couldn't bear to listen to some slightly critical feedback of work done decades previously.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966819#Comment_118966819

Typical of TRAs. Hurl accusations of transphobia and homophobia against JK Rowling with no proof, except welcoming someone back to Twitter, and won't even bother to read the essay she wrote which lays out in detail her exact stance on the subject. You have no interest in facts or reality. Just happy to perpetuate the misogynistic witch hunt against a woman who won't bow down to your every demand.

Here's something else that you won't bother to read because it doesn't fit your narrative. A gay man writes about the new homophobia that is inherent in current LGBTQ activism. More and more gay men and lesbians are now speaking out as they do not take kindly to being told by privileged, straight, white people (who identify as queer so that they can feel special), that they are bigots, or sexual Nazis for being same sex attracted and not same gender attracted.

https://www.newsweek.com/new-homophobia-opinion-1698969

CrookedJack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966819#Comment_118966819

Really just look at what you wrote there. You know what homophobia is but they only think they know. The sheer arrogance.

Do you really think you can own the definition of homophobia or is it just heavy-handedness to stir up more anger?

Annasopra

This is funny really in a way

Trying to tell me what transphobia and homophobia is and isnt.

Using homophobic/transphobic LGBT people as some sort of proof of something.

Insinuations about bullying, being too angry, too over the top and too emotional. And then trotting out the transphobic/homophobic "transing the gay away" conspiracies 🤣

https://thepsychologygroup.com/gaslighting-how-to-recognize-it-and-what-to-say-when-it-happens/

https://www.gawker.com/a-field-guide-to-straightsplaining-1516723100

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwA_lykyuoE#menu

https://www.stephsplace.uk/transing-the-gay-away-pt1.cfm

https://www.stephsplace.uk/transing-the-gay-away-part2.cfm

https://www.stephsplace.uk/transing-the-gay-away-part3.cfm

Bannasidhe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118965955#Comment_118965955

What's you problem with 'Mz'?

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

She is not 'Miss' - which generally donates never married female.

She does not wish to be called 'Mrs Murray' as she is divorced.

'Mz' or 'Ms' being short for 'Mistress' used as an alternative to 'Miss' or 'Missus' - in the case of Mz Rawlings it fits her marital situation perfectly - she is neither a 'miss' or a 'mrs'. Heaven forfend she should be misrepresented, after all, she is very very picky about other people's presentation of their identity.

Mistress Rawlings - the divorcee.

Not knowing the meaning of an abbreviation is a very strange hill to choose to die on Mx Smith (I use gender neutral 'Mx' as I am unaware of your gender and do not wish to offend by mis- gendering you).

sam t smith

“Ms. is the proper way to describe any woman, regardless of marital status.”

Mz is presumably some bullshit term like ‘cis’.

Also why do you insist on repeatedly calling her ‘Rawlings’?

magicbastarder

Dennis is not a homophobe. He is a gay man.

just on this point; is it not possible for a gay person to say something homophobic? e.g. if a straight person says something homophobic, and a gay person repeats it, does it cease to be homophobic?

Bannasidhe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118966543#Comment_118966543

Let's pick this apart.

Let's look at Navratilova who is frequently trotted out by transphobes as 'one of them'. A claim she strenuously denies.

In 2019 She made a statement saying that transgender women who have not medically transitioned should be prevented from competing against biological women as their 'male' body would give them an advantage. It would be quote "cheating".

A month later she publicly apologised for using the term "cheating" and vowed to work with trans athletes to find a solution.

She co-founded the Women's Sports Policy Working Group which has campaigned AGAINST blanket bans of transgender athletes.

In 2021 Navratilova co-authored an op-ed with trans athlete Juniper Eastwood and Dr Doriane Coleman opposing a proposed blanket ban in North Carolina.

The issue Navratilova has is not with transgender women competing against cis women. It is transgender women who have not medically transitioned competing against cis women.

In the Women's Doubles Finals of the US Open in 1977 Navratilova/ Stove defeated Richards/Grubb Stuart.

Renee Richards - a transgender woman who had surgically transitioned - later became Navratilova's coach.

They remain close friends.

Bannasidhe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968926#Comment_118968926

Mz is perfectly acceptable whatever you presume Mx Smith.

As for Rawlings - simple spelling error caused by auto correct but sure go make a mountain out of the hill you have chosen to die on.

Jaysis. Just googled Harry Potter and racism. They are childrens's books but every activist and alt-journalist tries to shoehorn(ie project) their views into the books where no issue actually exists. Came across this in the Guardian," The Harry Potter series has been constantly accused of queerbaiting— a marketing ploy used to lure an LGBTQ+ fan base by teasing the possibility of non-heterosexual characters, without the intention of ever developing it into an actual element of the story.

Here’s a classic instance of queerbaiting. Before Harry Potter and the Cursed Child — the play that tells the story of Harry Potter 19 years later — was even published, there was a tonne of fanfiction ‘shipping’ (when fans wish for two characters to be romantically linked) Draco Malfoy’s son Scorpius with Harry Potter’s younger son Albus. When the play finally came out, the bonhomie between the duo was far more intense than the relationship between Harry and his best friend, Ron, ever was.

Nymphadora Tonks and Remus Lupin, two characters from the series who were thought to be queer by fans, were married out of the blue and made to settle down as as a typical hetronormative family. Tonks, a Metamorphmagus — a witch who can change her appearance at will, was considered to be gender fluid. Lupin’s struggles as a werewolf were seen as deliberately framed to highlight the plight of HIV/AIDS patients. But even these prominently queer characteristics pointed out by Potter fans, weren’t enough for Rowling to properly assert and develop these traits in later books.

It’s not fair for Rowling to keep adding queer elements the Harry Potter fans root for after the books have been published in ways that suit her interest, but fail to actually bring diversity and inclusivity to her writing."

Seriously, these are childrens books, they can be seperate from the author.

sam t smith

What is this ‘to die on’ nonsense you keep repeating?

I asked a simple question re the term ‘Mz’. I had never heard it before and from searching I found a couple of references to it that says it is only used in the US/Canada. It is not a commonly used term anywhere, unlike ‘Ms.’

Then I asked a simple question re the strange use of ‘Rawlings’, assuming that someone posting repeatedly on a thread about Ms. ‘Rowling’ (with her name in the thread title) would know her name was ‘Rowling’ and not ‘Rawlings’.

Bannasidhe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969042#Comment_118969042

The suggestion that all literary criticism of books written for children is henceforth ended is another strange hill to die on.

We must, apparently, now take them at face value and not dig into any recurring themes, notable features, or discuss how the author's life/politics/religion etc etc may have influenced the work.

I assume the same must happen with films?

Regardless of how dodgy they may be we let it all slide because they are "kid's books"?

This is an illustration from Elvira Bauer's best selling 'kid's book' "Never trust a Fox on his Green Meadow and a Jew on his Oath" published in 1936.

The Homophobes had no problem using a children's book to introduce Section 28 in the UK. This is the book in question.

IMO only a person who doesn't understand how powerful books are, and their influence on children, would suggest their contents are not discussed. Letting a children read any old book at all just because it is marketed as a 'kid's book' is akin to allowing a child access any old website at all as long as it says it 'for kid's'

The Far Right has always understood the power of children's books.

Bannasidhe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969075#Comment_118969075

Asking a simple question is one thing.

Repeatedly asking in a demanding tone as if you have found some gotcha is an entirely different thing.

You did the latter. Hence the hill where you were shaking your fist at the sky as your query wasn't instantly answered.

It is also used among the Lesbian community - betcha didn't google that. And as this is the LGBT forum, and MZ Rowlings is apparently such an ally to the lesbian community, I'm sure she wouldn't mind.

Yup. I don't comment on JK very often but I do quite a bit of DIY (it's a lesbian thing) - spellcheck reads 'rowl' as 'rawl' - quick, call the Conspiracy Police. Spellcheck is cancelling the former Mrs Murray nee Rowlings.

sam t smith

Her surname is ‘Rowling’.

Not ‘Rawlings’.

Not ‘Rowlings’.

Continuing to misspell it when this has been pointed out to you is clearly intentional on your part.

So can I infer that you have chosen ‘to die on’ this particularly hill?

Bannasidhe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969206#Comment_118969206

Do I look bovvered?

Mate, I'm watching women's rugby right now which is far more important than you wanting to have a strop about how I spell the name of an author when I'm not really paying attention.

Off you infer.

sam t smith

Wow.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968930#Comment_118968930

We had all this trotted out in 2014 and 2015 with Mr Mills and Manning. Of course gay people can be homophobic.