1st time application for the Silencer?Or had it previously?

Never heard the bit about asking the Guards to confirm that they are willing to accept liability for hearing loss, but it sounds good. Do you know if this has actually worked?

This would be my approach also.

The “user needs to maintain awareness” angle is not great as ear plugs have some a long way since the yellow foam. Impluse plugs block high volume noises, but let through quiet noises.

Even better, tactical earbuds block loud noises and enhance quiet noises. Which sounds very useful.

Scuttlebutt and gunshop talk has caused us more problems than legislation sometimes.If this was the case, I'm sure your source has a name and date or even a location as to where whoever was browbeat a Superintendent into this decision? As this would be groundbreaking news for every Irish gunowner.

It's sad but true, we have had more misinformation coming from our own and gun dealers as well that have got people into all sorts of bother betimes too. This would be one good example. Not saying it didn't happen, or could happen, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it either .

Sorry if it comes over as being dismissive.it's not, it's being realistic when having dealt with personally helping others about these applications. That claiming hearing loss from gunfire and making the AGS responsible by not issuing a permit for a silencer is too left of field, as it is just too easily shot apart by anyone. All the super has to say ist" Ok, get me a report from someone in medical authority on hearing loss, that states a casual gun owner and hunter, has suffered irreparable loss of hearing by not using a silencer, as the single source of his hearing impairment and I'll issue it straight away then!" Not potential loss, but actual loss!"

Also,IF this story is true it means we are all utterly sorted as AGS is then accepting the responsibility of potential damage to every gun owner's hearing by NOT issuing permits for silencers. That would be an utter first in Ireland when you consider how people with provable terminal and life-changing medical conditions caused by state body negligence have to fight toot&nail in the courts for compensation and recognition?

Your best bet is using the legislation and good reasons to convince your Super,not gunshop gossip.

My experience (this year) in seeking a moderator, was that the licence was approved but lacked the S on it when received. Followed up with the Inspector. It was an admin error, once the inspector gave it some attention new licence issued with the S and good to go. It's not clear from your account if you were provided with a reasoned explanation for the refusal (if refusal it was). You are entitled to the reasoned explanation under the Commissioners Guidelines. If you didn't receive such a written response then likely it's only an administrative error. Contact the appropriate Inspector and express your disappointment in a civil and courteous fashion and ask for the reasons for refusal. That's all I did, spoke with the chap and as soon as he had the chance it was redressed. If your the landowner I'd be very surprised if they intended to decline your request.

I'm sure somebody brought up liability to a super at some point. And the super may have even subsequently issued the moderator license. But that's doesn't mean that he issued it because they siad that, and it also doesn't mean the garda would have actually been liable.

It would be ripped apart in court as you said. Furthermore, that scenario being true would be much worse. Shooter applys for a mod. Plays the liability card. Rifle license with mod is granted. As the same time 2 shotgun licenses and a pistol license are revoked - that they are not suppressed and shooter wishes Garda to accept liabiltiy for their use.

For the record, from now on, every time you apply for a firearm cert or for a renewal you have to mention that you've a refusal on your record.

I don't think you've told us what the reason/reasons were for the refusal?

Anyway, you've 30 days from the receipt of the notice to appeal if that's what you want to do.

It's going on everywhere at the moment. Know a lad who applied for a moderator for his 308 and the supers reason for refusal was on safety grounds. They said that people living nearby are entitled to know that somebody is shooting nearby!!!!

Obviously they are watching too much telly

FFs