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Census 2022 question on religion

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    It wouldn't be concealing it.

    People could identify as they wish.

    Tick box for the 'umbrella' term i.e Christian, Muslim, Hindu, etc etc

    Space for the respondent to write in further clarification should they wish :Roman Catholic, Sunni, etc etc.

    It could remain the same formula going forward, no need to base it on 'the top 5'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭crossman47


    I think its time to drop the religion question now. Its meaningless. Comparisons over time will no longer work after the change this year and many of those who say "Catholic" are anything but. They just attend for weddings and funerals.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,717 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    I disagree, how people identify from a religious perspective is important, as is the documented change in this figure over time. Say we didn't ask this question now, the publicly available statistic for percentage of people who identify as Catholic would stagnate at the 2016 value of 78%. This was 88% in the previous census and, at a guess, is likely to be less than 70% in the upcoming census, possibly low 60s. Not sure why you would want to hide this trend. Religious observance is something entirely different, falling at a much higher rate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭crossman47


    The trend will be meaningless. The number saying no religion will jump because of the way the question has been changed. It may well be the new number will be more correct but it still means the trend has no meaning. I don't see why religious affiliation is useful as a number either. The churches have lost all authority so leave them all to themselves.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,717 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Given the entrenched position the church hold within state funded education and healthcare, I think the trend is very far from meaningless. Nominal religious affiliation is still very much part of who we are and how we are changing as a society.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Hmmmmm... the Church that has free reign to promulgate itself across the education system on the taxpayers cent and is getting a maternity hospital built for it? That Church?



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,961 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I think certain Catholics might have an issue with having to tick a Christian box! "We are a catholic country etc etc etc"...

    FWIW the answers to the religion question shouldn't matter in a secular country. But I've heard the 78% being trotted out so many times over the last few years (As a justification for 90% of schools, among other things - how does 78% get bumped up to justify 90%?) that we have to keep measuring this trend as it declines.

    It would be interesting if they separated out the religious choices of parents of children of school-going age...

    They do provide a religious question breakdown by age though, and under-18s identified as "no religion" got a very large boost last time out.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm sorry, just got my form, but it's bloody simple to read and understand.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,068 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    This. The census data over time is powerful, difficult-to-refute evidence of the growth of unbelief, and of the willingness to identify as an unbeliever, in Ireland. Anyone interested in advancing the rights or status of unbelievers in Ireland would be made to try to suppress that data, or to stop collecting it.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    [Peregrinus] But is there an intermediate concept of, e.g., "family data" where an interest in/right to privacy survives the death of the individual to whom the data refers, and can still be asserted by their family?

    Not so far as I'm aware.

    Somewhat relatedly, though, the license under which you use certain classes of data during your lifetime - for example, your priceless audio and video collections - expires with you, as it's a non-transferrable license. There were some moves a few years back to make data, acquired under license, transferrable in the case of death, but I don't imagine it's moved forward much:

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2012/sep/03/bruce-willis-apple-itunes-library



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6 matthewsemple


    I agree - the question asks for Religion and then doesn't list 'Christianity' (instead opting for a series of Christian denominations) and one other religion. Many other large world religions, that must be well-represented in Ireland, are left out. I found the options very odd as they force people who consider themselves to be a Christian but who are not affiliated to a denomination, to select 'Other'.

    I might put Jedi!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If you put Jedi (and are atheist) then your answer will actually increase the reported number of those adhering to religion



  • Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    If one selects Other and writes Christian, what does that mean ?

    Umbrella term covering all types ?

    Evangelical ?

    Cultural ?

    It doesn't convey a whole lot, without qualification.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,717 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    If someone puts down Other Religion and writes Christian, it means that is as much as the person wants to put on the census. If they want to qualify it further, they obviously can. If they don't, that's their choice too. To be honest, if they put down Catholic, that doesn't say much about their religiosity either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,068 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Exactly. If a respondent doesn't want to identify with one of the five suggested designations (which are based on popularity of responses from the previous census) then it's up to them how much more detail they want to give. "Christian", without further qualification, could mean that they don't identify with any particular denomination (non-denominational Christianity is a thing) or it could mean that they don't want, or can't be bothered, to name their denomination, or it could mean they are uncertain to which denomination their church is affiliated.

    Which means that you have to exercise a degree of care about interpreting the census data. But that's generally true of census data.

    You might think you'd get better data by increasing the number of options offered. But experience suggests that increasing the number of options much beyond the 5-7 range results in worse data - respondents get bored, alienated or confused; they tick the first option that might apply to them rather than reading through the list to find the one which best applies to them; they tick more than one option; they tick no option; they tick a random option. And you have to reckon that from a policy and planning point of view, identifying the number of Catholics, Anglicans, nonreligious people, etc in the country has a relevance that identifying the number of Independent Millennial Baptists (Wesleyan Connexion) may not. So the fact that the religion question isn't good at identifying the number of Independent Millennial Baptists (Wesleyan Connexion) may not be a terribly trenchant criticism of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    percentage of people who identify as Catholic ... is likely to be less than 70% in the upcoming census, possibly low 60s.

    I reckon it'll still be above 70%, maybe not by much, but still..



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,418 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No one gives a sht what her families religion is. People spend way too much time thinking other people are interested in their business.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,418 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It lists the top ones according to previous census so the ones you think "must be well represented" must not be.

    Post edited by breezy1985 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,961 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Should that be "it lists the top ones" ?

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,177 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    you say that, but wasn't there a kid recently who killed himself after being bullied because of his religion?

    It'd be the talk of the town, something like that getting out



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,417 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The problem arises when some people expect their family religion to be imposed on everyone in school.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,717 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    If you take straight line interpolation from 2016 to 2022, I'd tend to agree, as this leaves the figure at 70.67% currently. However, the rate of decline since 1971 is far greater than linear so if that trend continues, the figure will be in the 60s. That said, the number of data points is tiny so this is barely more than speculation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,769 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    LOL, you think people in ireland are not interested in other peoples business....



  • Registered Users Posts: 6 matthewsemple


    That's probably correct because the previous census form also confused denominations with religions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭BingCrosbee


    There are people who make an issue where there is no issue. This thread represents that.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Saying something about the census.

    Were I staying in someone else's house, tonight, the CSO could feck right off if I were to fill in some fairly personal info into someone else's form.

    Questions 12, 15, 16, and 27 are no one else's business and no way would I be expecting people to fill them in on a friend's form



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,164 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Are you part of a group of related or unrelated people living at that address with common housekeeping arrangements ? If not, and you are not if staying in someoneelse's house, then you complete the census at your regular address



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,961 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I've got 1.2.3.4.5... census working overtime 😁


    Life ain't always empty.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm talking about people spending a night at friends. They're meant to fill the census out in that house, no?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,961 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato



    Denver's private life was so out of whack with his public image it was unreal. By no means the choirboy he appeared to be. Cocaine, drunk driving, domestic violence.

    Life ain't always empty.



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