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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The emergency legislation that enabled Covid restrictions is set to lapse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Just an extension of the virtue signalling which has become rampant in Ireland over the last few years, largely borne out of a need to feel included in the social media circle jerk. All for the "feels", and "consideration of others". What a load of patronising bullshit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    in theory then it doesn’t really mean much does it? They can just re do it on the Friday?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Donnelly on the radio now saying no restrictions needed. C’mon ta ****!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,102 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I see there back to the "Un vaccinated " cohort , mother of God if people aren't vaccinated at this stage (and its their right", there's not a chance they'll change their minds now.

    Also whatever happened to the "Herd Immunity " narrative 🤔

    Hear we go, Scare Byrne on the case , Sam Mc Conky up first

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,102 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Restrictions at this point would be useless , it's rampant but what's the answer 🤔 I once thought if you got it , that's it and hopefully not too severe , I'm talking to people who've caught it more than once 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,267 ✭✭✭Allinall


    What would you like him to have said?

    I'd swear people on here are desperate for restrictions to come back in, just so they can whinge and moan about them. They're scouring the internet to find any hint of re-introduction of restrictions, so they can give out.

    What happened to getting on with our lives and living with Covid? Not seeing much sign of it here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,102 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    TONY'S left the building ( Actuallythat happened late December), Government seem all over the place , Stephen Donnelly pop's up this week, weres he been , Paul Reid, same old same old and I saw first hand last Tuesday what's going on in public Hospitals.

    Those who'll really suffer are those waiting on urgent care.

    I'm not for a second saying restrictions but mother of God there's absolutely no leadership, Government more concerned about planning their St Patrick's Trips abroad and being popular with the EU .

    And absolute Cluster**** of a situation

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You don’t want restrictions but you want ‘leadership’. What actually is it that you want to happen

    donnelly is clear that there’ll be no restrictions implemented, masks or otherwise. What else are you looking to hear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The answer is to move on with life. Like colds and 'flus, you can contract them multiple times, your body will deal with it and you move on. This is how highly infectious diseases work and have always worked through the entirety of human history.

    Herd immunity/eradication is only realistically feasible when the disease is relatively low on the infectivity scale, like Polio. Look at measles. Despite insanely high vaccination rates, it still manages to survive in little pockets and explode like wildfire when it finds an unvaccinated group.

    Omicron at this stage is considerably less severe than measles and far more infectious. It's here to stay. Vaccination and boosters will do a good job of keeping the vulnerable out of hospitals, but the illness is not going away. Pretty soon we'll stop testing for it at all outside of clinical environments. You'll wake up one morning feeling like crap, say, "Oh I've a bit of a 'flu" and then take it easy for a few days without wondering whether you've got H1N2 or Sars-COV-2 or rhinovirus, or whatever.

    At this point, people are really only doing antigens either because they feel it's the right thing to do so they can let others know they might have been exposed, or so they can be allowed off work. Realistically there's no need to do an antigen - if you feel sick, you should be keeping yourself away from the workplace and away from others regardless of what kind of sickness you have.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    What’s Mc Conkey’s narrative this morning? What’s he saying?

    Covid has changed my aunt’s mind about the vaccine. She is quite unwell at the moment, very sick. She can’t even keep anything down or in and a risk of dehydration . Her family are quite concerned at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,102 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    You may equate Restrictions with Leadership, I don't. My point being were has everybody in Leadership to include public health been, the past few months.

    We have medics saying there's no advice , Government saying no new measures needed, Hospitals buckling under the pressure and I might add worse than ever at any point during the pandemic.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,102 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    To be fair he's not advising any restrictions but is leaning towards mask wearing requirements, very measured to be fair , I'm sorry to hear about your Aunt

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Thanks. Heard there now that there’s signs of improvement, feeling a bit better.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes but what actually do you want to see? Everyone talks about ‘leadership’. I don’t know what that means….it’s just a buzzword absent what you want to see happening



  • Administrators Posts: 55,021 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Government are all over the place? Couldn't disagree more.

    For one of the few times during this whole thing the government message is remarkably consistent from all quarters. No new restrictions needed. We've heard it from Martin, Varadkar, Donnelly, Holohan and Reid. All signing from the same hymn sheet.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Shame on news organizations and many radio and TV presenters banging on about increased cases and hospitalizations - spreading fear.

    If you have 1 in 20 people with the infection in this country (and the actual rate is higher), then you will inevitably have more Omicron patients in hospital. This doesn't mean that Omicron patients are in hospital because of COVID, though. That's just the nature of it: the more people with the infection = the more people in hospital with the infection.

    And in the UK, for example, upwards of 60 percent of Omicron patients are in hospital for some other reason. And as always, there is no reason to assume that Ireland's figures are any different. Why is this never reported by the above radio and TV presenters?

    When we see hospitalisation figures and so on, we should bear the above factor in mind - and not rush to stupid knee-jerk reactions that somehow re-introducing restrictions will make things better.

    Furthermore, ICU figures are either stable or falling, too - and this is the most important metric to monitor.

    Finally, Omicron spreading through the population unchecked will effectively vaccinate everyone with a huge booster effect. This will protect us far better than anything else, and eliminates the need for another mass vaccination programme. The cost of that huge benefit is to suffer a cold-like infection. You could also argue that this will prevent future deaths, too, given the mild nature of Omicron COVID.

    Those who have opted not to take any vaccine have effectively consented that they're willing to take the risk of serious infection. Their conscious choice shouldn't make us try to protect this very small minority by re-introducing barking mad restrictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Many people can't make decisions for themselves, they crave to be told what to do and be dictated too. There was no difference between wearing a mask on the Wednesday before MM speach to the Saturday after it. Similarly now, when there is nothing stopping them wearing a mask, they want to be told to wear them.


    The worst part is, they are a vocal minority who have access to the media and there is a narrative that it's what the majority want. But as was pointed to earlier, if its what the majority wanted, surely there would be a higher percentage wearing them on public transport. Bar the hysterical few on the media nobody wants restrictions to return.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Absolutely. For probably the first time in the pandemic, Taoiseach, Tanaiste, Health Minister, CMO & chair of NPHET are all on the same page. Yet there are still some trying to put a wedge in there and get their way. There is no vacuum, our leaders are clear (for once). It's the current affairs presenters and celebrity experts who say otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    i don't buy it... If the majority of people want restrictions back then the majority of people should start by wearing masks in shops again. Currently I see what I would call a significant minority wearing them - about 30%-35% on yesterday's shop

    We have experts now telling us about the benefits of mask wearing instead of it being mandated and legally enforced, isn't that what we all wanted?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    I think you misread my post, my point was that I liked that he said that. Why would I want restrictions back…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    ...again, I can't see that happening - either the masks or 'other restrictions'. Public support just isn't there. Most have moved on.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    It's an absolute farce that isn't going to happen...therefore, it's not a farce.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭Macy0161




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    They have repeatedly stated that they see no reason for a return to any restrictions.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    It's one of the most active parts of the forum. The advertisers wouldn't want that to just disappear.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    That's what he has been saying previously too.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yep, the way I see it

    The 30% unvaccinated in our hospital beds should get the jab,

    The govt should have used the last 2 years to bolster our hospital capacity,

    Somebody in upper HSE management should be able to break down the figures in hospitals by whether they were incidental or not.

    Anybody who hasn't caught it yet and won't get vaccinated should stay at home alone for their own safety

    Our medical regulator should be approving more jabs (annual or even twice-yearly) and the proven treatments that are available without delay. 1600 people in hospital, if 800 of them require treatment for covid we shouldn't be hesitating at getting treatments approved



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Covid virtue signaller will make you an enemy for not fully taking their side, that's how you spot them. One thing you will notice about the covid-virtue signaller is that they love to make it about conflict; they want the discussion to be "with me or against me" and like to have an enemy to argue with, rather than to approach the topic with any rational, common sense perspective or with any potential for compromise.



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