sick of propping up non performing farms

People need to start paying a proper price for their food.

Then we'll see how much you want the CAP back.

No

People want and governments need bellow cost of production food in current economic system.

At current rates of support you are going to see people die from starvation inparts of Europe within 18 months.

Its the EU mostly not Irish taxpayer that make the payments to farmers

When consumers start paying the cost of production plus a margin for their food you can come back and have your poll.

life and markets are not as simply as this, subsidisation is common practice all over the world, in many sectors, including in agriculture, without which, we simply wouldnt survive, the idea of efficient markets is simply a myth. what has occurred has been our modern approach to production, we re simply over producing, and in turn squeezing the life out of many producers, loading them with debt, and hammering every aspect of their business, so much so, returns are poor, while their produce is sold at next to nothing, hence the subsides......

What does the OP mean by non performing farms? I mean there are some very substantial agricultural businesses in the country, which if you talked to their accountants, might be considered non performing, despite big turnovers and large farm payments. And at the opposite end, small farms and upland farmers turning over the bare minimum. And everything in between. You'd be better off redistributing farm supports towards smaller enterprises and keeping rural Ireland populated. There's a value in having people on the land, managing it in as environmentally way as possible, for all citizens including urban tax payers.

yes people want these things, but many simply need them, as the cost of living is sky rocketing, our reality is far more complex than just people wanting their wants.....

A "Bailout" implies a one off support in a time of need, not this eternal propping up of unprofitable businesses.

They wouldn’t be unprofitable if consumers paid a proper price for their food.

In all honesty do a significant percentage of people not understand that ?

The large majority of the population don't to be honest, but their all about to get a crash course in food inflation pretty shortly, the sense of dread I have for 2023 and food security worldwide and the geo-political fallout from it is frightening

Find out WHY the are loosing money the last 20-30 years and then you'll have your answer.

I assume that what you are saying ‘by either way ‘ is your paying by both taxation and product price . The sum of both is still not sufficient . This is the reason that a lot of farmers are reducing stock numbers/ inputs and leaving the land barely ticking over .

The price received for most farm produce doesn’t cover the cost of production. Adding in the subsidies barely makes it worthwhile.

It is a perverted system that has become acceptable to all. The only way to have a true market is to get rid of farm subsidies and let food find its own price .

No government will ever allow that to happen .

It’s a bit of a complex issue however in real terms if you were gone in the morning with all that you perceive that your contributing I don’t think it would matter an iota in the big picture of society (assuming your not a health professional ir something that actually really matters).

Safe regular food is invaluable. As is the rural environment. Priceless but our spoiled wasteful arrogant generation of urbanites know the the price of everything but the value of nothing.

Performing? What are you looking for? Clapping seals? God forgive me but a bit of hunger is what youse deserve. See can you eat a “Bitcoin”.

I find it hard to believe that you actually want a serious discussion when you didn't even bother reading the article that sparked your outrage.