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22-03-2022 11:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118816227#Comment_118816227

You can take out hypersonic missiles just like a ballistic missile,in the Launch/midcourse stage,but after that its no stopping,not yet anyway.

And Laser wont do anything,because the heat created surrounding the missile doing mach 10 would be same as the laser makes.

everlast75 · 22-03-2022 11:23AM

A very niche joke ...

22-03-2022 11:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817861#Comment_118817861

In fairness, the word Nazi has been flung about with reckless abandon by everyone over the last few years. In common vernacular, it simply means people who you don't like and who's views you find objectionable so it's not surprising that it has lost it's impact.

is_that_so · 22-03-2022 11:29AM

EU leaders intend to set up a “trust fund” for Ukraine as it battles Russia’s invasion and to help it rebuild after the war. No more details just yet but meeting on Thursday.

Christy42 · 22-03-2022 11:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817914#Comment_118817914

What is interesting is how quick the excuse of just trying to unite all the Russian/German speaking people gets brought up again and nearly accepted when going for specific regions.

ronivek · 22-03-2022 11:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817917#Comment_118817917

I kinda wish they would focus on the part that comes before that; there has been precious little news on further sanctions or measures to increase pressure on Russia. Rebuilding will take years but every single extra day of war means deaths and destruction that literally cannot be undone no matter how much money you throw at Ukraine.

firemansam4 · 22-03-2022 11:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817914#Comment_118817914

Have to agree with this, everyone calling the other side "Nazis"

Can we not just leave the term Nazis to describe the real Nazis of WW2.

Scumbag murdering fascists from Russia should surfice to describe the assholes invading Ukraine right now.

RayCon · 22-03-2022 11:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817884#Comment_118817884

Lets hope Getafix is brewing up serious amounts of potion.

is_that_so · 22-03-2022 11:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817950#Comment_118817950

We need a bit more time to allow sanctions that are already in place to really bite. There are signs but another couple of weeks will see real effects.

storker · 22-03-2022 11:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817781#Comment_118817781

Maybe it's an off-world penal colony.

is_that_so · 22-03-2022 11:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817968#Comment_118817968

The Poles need to calm down a tad. Between wanting to give away Migs and just cutting Russia off entirely there's not a lot of thought going into some of their ideas. The Germans, rightly IMO, are looking at the big picture and how to decouple and replace energy supplies at a rate that will not screw up the EU at the same time.

22-03-2022 11:47AM

https://twitter.com/andersostlund/status/1502296324661825537?t=hHNdtlDoYSJMiR3dg6IBQQ&s=19

Danzy · 22-03-2022 11:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817968#Comment_118817968

Germany remains the weak link and you can be certain that it is already working on ways to circumvent the sanctions, same as last time Russia was sanctioned.

As for the 100bn that was headline grabbing puff piece and the Ukraine will be waiting a long before useable military aid is delivered as promised from them.

Dohnjoe · 22-03-2022 11:51AM

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1506024976192839692

Wibbs · 22-03-2022 11:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817796#Comment_118817796

I would reckon putin will not go for Kyiv now. If he could have taken it quickly and relatively undamaged like he likely thought and intended then yes, but that ship has sailed. Partically levelling a city nobody outside of Ukraine heard of a month ago in the south is one thing, a famous capital city another. There was that missile strike in the very centre of Kyiv in the first days of this invasion, but very little like that since. He is quite aware of optics. I reckon the same reasoning will be applied to Odessa. He has the Donbas region and the land corridor to Crimea pretty much sewn up as far as colours on a map anyway, which is what counts in the short term. He can call that as a win back home. He could then spin he never intended to level Kyiv as the "nazis" were in Donbas and the extreme south. That's he's a stong man, but not the monster the west are painting him.

Negotiations follow. Ukraine and NATO membership off the map(that's already 99% a done deal). Ukraine loses the Donbas "independent states"(80% a given I'd reckon). Some minor optics changes like I dunno, the Azov battalion disbanded on paper(different unit badge minus the name and nazi symbols, new commanders. Job done. Same unit), some street names changed(that's been brought up apparrently) and putin withdraws.

The sticking point IMHO will be the Crimean land corridor. Putin holds it now, but he can't hold it for long and would face years of insurrection and huge costs in resources. Crimea was/is different as it was already mostly Russian. He may haggle over it, but I suspect he'll drop it for other bargaining chips. or go the UN/Dual control route. Ukraine faces similar with Donbas. It was only ever half theirs and a PITA, so I suspect they'll drop there too.

Wibbs · 22-03-2022 11:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817935#Comment_118817935

And yet other than a Russian lebensraum he's certainly mentioned and nationalism(a far less prickly matter than in Western Europe) putin has ticked pretty much none of the other boxes you've listed. The Dunne is right, "nazi" is thrown about with reckless abandon as a shorthand and ultimate insult for The Enemy. Hell, Russia and putin have done so and used it as the excuse to invade Ukraine. And both harbour and have supported pockets of actual nazis of their own.

EltonJohn69 · 22-03-2022 11:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817550#Comment_118817550

Bravery or idiocy to return after his poisoning ?

Dohnjoe · 22-03-2022 11:59AM

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1506151518902407170

is_that_so · 22-03-2022 12:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118818027#Comment_118818027

3m people versus the combined total of 140m of Germany and Italy. They are not doing nothing and gas is the easier problem to solve. Bear in mind too that a virtual elimination of 10% of the world's supply would add even greater pressure to prices. Russia are already struggling to find buyers for its oil.

Wibbs · 22-03-2022 12:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118818056#Comment_118818056

I suspect he thought he had a lot more support from the Russian on the street than he did and returning would ignite that. Just because we may like/support him because he's an opponent of putin, it doesn't mean the average Russian does, or thinks he's the better man for the job than putin. He could be seen as the worst of two evils. Hard to know.

Danzy · 22-03-2022 12:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118818005#Comment_118818005

The Poles want to hit Putin while Russia is on the back foot, force an end to the conflict.

Germany want to ensure that Germany is not affected, no matter the devastation that approach causes to the Ukraine and to wider European economics in the long run.

They are being utterly cynical and keeping the hand open to Moscow. It's an exact replay of the post Crimea response from Berlin to Moscow, and it's undermining of sanctions.

JoChervil · 22-03-2022 12:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817710#Comment_118817710

I think the same. But many posters here find such approach uncomfortable and contaminating the whole discussion. While I prefer to inflict and feel this kind of discomfort than much bigger discomfort later in a shape of a war, if people allow certain things to grow.

I prefer to pay this small price and keep things in balance...

Tony EH · 22-03-2022 12:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817781#Comment_118817781

What do you think Guantanamo Bay was?

There's plenty them around the world.

Danzy · 22-03-2022 12:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118818051#Comment_118818051

Putin would be moderate and run an open society compared to most Communist leaders Russia had.

He would be less oppressive than all bar Gorbachev.

It doesn't make him good but that they were at an exceptional level.

Communist Russia was Nazi Germany's older, more effectively controlling and much more murderous older brother.

Tony EH · 22-03-2022 12:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817914#Comment_118817914

This conflict in the Ukraine has bugger all to do with either the Nazis or the Communists.

They're just cheap words for people to invoke because they don't have a clue what they're talking about.

Tony EH · 22-03-2022 12:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817990#Comment_118817990

A chance to begin again...

JoChervil · 22-03-2022 12:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817852#Comment_118817852

That's not to say Putin is nice, it's just that he will have to become a lot more murderous and brutal to meet the level that was the norm in Communist society.

LOL. Maybe you should educate yourself more on the subject? Why don't you start with Russian apartments bombings?

He is a very brutal and murderous man. Only such open actions now are not acceptable in a modern world....

everlast75 · 22-03-2022 12:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118818078#Comment_118818078

Trump is an utter idiot who would say mass. He parroted russian propaganda and took multiple steps to defend Russia.

He only acts the hard man. Sad to think people still believe him.

is_that_so · 22-03-2022 12:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118818085#Comment_118818085

Except the Polish bravado risks broadening the conflict. It's a time for further tweaking of sanctions and waiting. I see no cynicism in any country taking time to figure out how to replace 40% of its energy supplies. They are working on a plan, just one that is far more long-term than their hyper impatient neighbours.

22-03-2022 12:22PM

It's difficult to fault the countries that are dependent on Russian gas and oil, for not wanting to immediately disconnect from that.

Their economies will suffer but more importantly, especially in the case of Germany, as gas is primarily used for heating, it would not be possible to disconnect without an alternative as people would die during the cold winters.

Having said all that, these countries are actively out scouring the market for alternative sources to allow them to disconnect asap.

I've no doubt they'll modify their stance once they get those alternatives in place

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