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HerrKuehn · 22-03-2022 10:10AM

I worked with a Russian guy in the tech industry, he had been here for a long time, since he was a teenager. He was a big Putin supporter and loved all those memes of Putin riding a bear bare chested etc. I always found it very strange, but I assumed it was because he was rejected for Irish citizenship (he would have been eligible but he committed a serious crime and had a criminal record).

Wibbs · 22-03-2022 10:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118816890#Comment_118816890

The Azoz are a boogyman. On the one side Ukraine says nope we have no fascist problem(or it's absolutely tiny), yet the Azoz are a regular feature of vids of their information war. On the other Russian side fascists and the Azoz are everywhere and are a regular feature in their information war(while they gloss over their fascists named after Hitler's fave composer...). Cheerleaders for both reference them in very different ways. The truth is likely to be found somewhere in the middle and in retrospect after all this has calmed down.

On the far right problem in that part of the world and outside the general area of Western Europe? IMHO there's a fair bit of cultural difference and perception going on. Here's a map of LGBT rights and attitudes across Europe:

Here's one on attitudes to dark skin:

Notice anything? In general the further right you go on the map of Europe, the further Right and conservative and nationalist things tend to get. "Oh but [insert EU nation here] has more neo nazi parties than Ukraine!!". The part IMHO people are missing is that the electorate in many nations in Eastern Europe, expect as a given their mainstream parties to be a lot more conservative and nationalist than electorates in Western Europe do. They simply have fewer obvious hard Right parties, because their mainstream parties are a lot more conservative and nationalist than in most of Western Europe, as are the electorate. Which actually would be the case for much if not most of the rest of the world.

gandalf · 22-03-2022 10:32AM

What is it with RuSSian rich men and big boats. Here's Putin's (the biggest of the lot of course..).

https://twitter.com/pevchikh/status/1505942207030779912?t=V1y2zkO4Jk3HkyICo4udrQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/pevchikh/status/1505942231567511554?t=FapSoq6Zw_7vvI1_IgT2eQ&s=19

Fighting Tao · 22-03-2022 10:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817550#Comment_118817550

Hopefully all he has to do is outlast Putin.

Wibbs · 22-03-2022 10:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817327#Comment_118817327

To be fair she became a French citizen, married a French guy and did most of her science in France*, so an understandable assumption. She was fiercely proud of Poland and being Polish. Her kids spoke Polish and French and she named the first radioactive element she discovered Polonium.

*the very first wristwatch with a radium luminous dial was French, because Marie knew the family who owned the company.

ronivek · 22-03-2022 10:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817550#Comment_118817550

It was something of a miracle he survived his poisoning in the first place I suppose; they were always going to finish the job somehow. Such a scummy country.

bennyineire · 22-03-2022 10:40AM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/22/chechnyas-losses-in-ukraine-may-be-leader-ramzan-kadyrovs-undoing

Interesting article, the longer the war goes on and the continued losses that the Russians are sustaining the more likely we will see internal strife within the Russian Federation itself. Many of the Republic states within the Russian Federation are governed by corrupt "strongmen" who use intimidation and violence to maintain their grip on power, backed by Putin of course.

Wibbs · 22-03-2022 10:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817491#Comment_118817491

I'd challenge it, while keeping in mind that one man's poison is another man's bread and few minds would be changed. Minds adaptable to change are rare enough. You, me, everyone posting here are the product of our cultures and our upbringing and experiences as are the positions and truths we hold dear and are sure to defend. If this site was around in Ireland 1952 and not 2022 the attitudes and truths expressed and defended would be quite different. Significantly more nationalist, conservative, sexist, racist, religious and right wing. How easy would it be to change their minds?

ronivek · 22-03-2022 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817644#Comment_118817644

Kinda begs the question why it hasn't been seized if there's that much evidence its his or at least very likely to be used by Russian government officials and/or cronies.

Danzy · 22-03-2022 10:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817376#Comment_118817376

It's like, omg, they are Nazis and fascists and they are led by a Zionist Jew like and they all worked in manual labour.

They are, like, all the worst and every one progressive should fight back against them.

Ultimately the main problem with them is that they remain a key thorn in the Russian side.

Gregor Samsa · 22-03-2022 10:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817321#Comment_118817321

There's no such thing as an "EU Passport", though. Each individual EU country issues their own passports. And it's not just a document, it's citizenship. So we'd have to have specific EU countries that are willing to give citizenship, and all the rights and privileges that brings, to tens of thousands of Russian soldiers. It sounds to me like something that would need to be very carefully thought though - the financial cost isn't the only potential down side.

is_that_so · 22-03-2022 10:57AM

Ukrainian presidential adviser Oleksiy Arestovych said in a televised interview that one of Russian’s main priorities is to take control of the capital Kyiv, but trying to do so is “suicide”. He also said active hostilities between Ukraine and Russia could end within 2-3 weeks.

Reported this morning. It may be an optimistic timescale but Kyiv now looks out of the question for Russia.

20silkcut · 22-03-2022 11:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817550#Comment_118817550

A penal colony? Wtf Russia has gone back to the 18th century. Putin makes Brezhnev and Gorbachev look like the Dalai Lama. He is heading in a direction even beyond Stalin at this stage imo.

briany · 22-03-2022 11:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817760#Comment_118817760

Considering the absolute four course meal Russia is making out of regional cities that are just over the border from areas they controlled anyway, I can see how Kyiv might be a stretch.

HerrKuehn · 22-03-2022 11:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817750#Comment_118817750

It would be a very bad idea if it was open to the general soldier. Might be a good idea if open to commissioned officers though, or pilots especially if they defect with their plane.

Gregor Samsa · 22-03-2022 11:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817483#Comment_118817483

The sanctions aren't that wide-ranging. Aside from the ones on specific people, most of them are targeted at specific banks and institutional financial transactions. There's also bans on exporting military and dual-use goods and services, and services and equipment used in oil and gas exploration. A lot of the sanctions are also more about restrictions on imports from Russia.

There is a ban on the export of "luxury goods" to Russia, but not on regular goods an food or relatively mundane services. Many western companies have unilaterally stopped dealing with Russia, but there's not a total ban on exporting to Russia. It's possible that some companies could make the decision not to provide service to the Russian embassy, but there's currently no legal requirement for most of them to do so.

Danzy · 22-03-2022 11:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817781#Comment_118817781

Previous Communist leaders would have shot Navalny and his family,friends and close supporters would have gone to the penal camp.

That's not to say Putin is nice, it's just that he will have to become a lot more murderous and brutal to meet the level that was the norm in Communist society.

To top it he would certainly have to use chemical weapons and Mass starvation as standard tactics, we would have to see 8 figure dead nin Ukraine, it is is 3rd time the Russians have brutalized the Ukraine and it's by some distance in 3rd place still.

We shouldn't under report the absolute psychotic brutality that was the Soviet Union from Day one.

Raoul Duke III · 22-03-2022 11:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817781#Comment_118817781

The historical parallels are more with the Nazis than with Stalinism, although there are some overlaps.

Which is obviously ironic in the extreme, given the way RuSSia flings the term 'Nazi' about.

briany · 22-03-2022 11:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817804#Comment_118817804

On the Just Eat app, you can tap the little info icon beside a restaurant to see what times it delivers. It would be a nice Easter egg if you typed in the address of the Russian embassy and the info was like,

Monday.. No delivery. F*ck Putin

Tuesday.. No delivery. F*ck Putin

Wednesday.. No delivery. F*ck Putin

Etc.

22-03-2022 11:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118816227#Comment_118816227

You can take out hypersonic missiles just like a ballistic missile,in the Launch/midcourse stage,but after that its no stopping,not yet anyway.

And Laser wont do anything,because the heat created surrounding the missile doing mach 10 would be same as the laser makes.

everlast75 · 22-03-2022 11:23AM

A very niche joke ...

22-03-2022 11:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817861#Comment_118817861

In fairness, the word Nazi has been flung about with reckless abandon by everyone over the last few years. In common vernacular, it simply means people who you don't like and who's views you find objectionable so it's not surprising that it has lost it's impact.

is_that_so · 22-03-2022 11:29AM

EU leaders intend to set up a “trust fund” for Ukraine as it battles Russia’s invasion and to help it rebuild after the war. No more details just yet but meeting on Thursday.

Christy42 · 22-03-2022 11:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817914#Comment_118817914

What is interesting is how quick the excuse of just trying to unite all the Russian/German speaking people gets brought up again and nearly accepted when going for specific regions.

ronivek · 22-03-2022 11:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817917#Comment_118817917

I kinda wish they would focus on the part that comes before that; there has been precious little news on further sanctions or measures to increase pressure on Russia. Rebuilding will take years but every single extra day of war means deaths and destruction that literally cannot be undone no matter how much money you throw at Ukraine.

firemansam4 · 22-03-2022 11:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817914#Comment_118817914

Have to agree with this, everyone calling the other side "Nazis"

Can we not just leave the term Nazis to describe the real Nazis of WW2.

Scumbag murdering fascists from Russia should surfice to describe the assholes invading Ukraine right now.

RayCon · 22-03-2022 11:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817884#Comment_118817884

Lets hope Getafix is brewing up serious amounts of potion.

is_that_so · 22-03-2022 11:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817950#Comment_118817950

We need a bit more time to allow sanctions that are already in place to really bite. There are signs but another couple of weeks will see real effects.

storker · 22-03-2022 11:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817781#Comment_118817781

Maybe it's an off-world penal colony.

is_that_so · 22-03-2022 11:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118817968#Comment_118817968

The Poles need to calm down a tad. Between wanting to give away Migs and just cutting Russia off entirely there's not a lot of thought going into some of their ideas. The Germans, rightly IMO, are looking at the big picture and how to decouple and replace energy supplies at a rate that will not screw up the EU at the same time.

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