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Would you have room on the farm for refugees?

  • 09-03-2022 12:41PM
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    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Some of us younger farmers on the forum have built a new house on the farm for ourselves, in some cases the old farmhouse still has someone living in it, but there are a good few houses empty on farms. Because they are beside the farm yard they are difficult to sell.

    With a bit of a spruce up, fix a few slates/windows etc. they could be well fit for use. If anyone has such a house how could we go about getting people into it?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Are you wanting to provide accommodation to refugees or just rent it out. The accom for refugees you don't get any money from anyone, idk either what rights etc they could eventually have. Say if a family ended up in the house what's to stop them from living there forever.

    imho most of them would want to return home at some stage. You don't need a spare house to help, a spare bedroom in the house is enough. We've 3 spare bedrooms in the house now, they've all moved out so we are thinking of offering them. You need to register at the red cross https://registerofpledges.redcross.ie/#/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭James2022


    Those kind of farm houses would be ideal but I was reading about the requirements saying you need to be situated near public transport and paying all the bills(rent/mortgage/electricity/food/medical etc) so you'd need the works done promptly and the savings to ensure you can put them up for 6-12+ months. I'm not sure what kind of bus or train service you need to live near but the Red Cross said they would inspect properties beforehand. I read something vague about grants/money available in certain conditions.


    The first step would be to contact the Red Cross - https://registerofpledges.redcross.ie/#/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Obviously not for exploitative purposes, but given that Ukraine grows so much grain, there must be a fair few people there with agricultural skills that are needed here. Even if only temporary for the Summer. That would be another way to help them out - give them a job in a role where they can add value and pay them a decent wage. I am surprised I haven't heard anything like that from the farming organisations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭alps


    This is mainly women and kids. The men have stayed in Ukraine.

    Its not going to be the simplest set up for these mothers to take up employment, but Im sure they will do their best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I'm sure some of them can drive machinery or milk cows etc. Maybe even some mechanics.


    Horticulture and processing as well. Keelings were famously bringing in Bulgarians and housing them when they were castigated at the start of Covid



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    We have put our name down this evening. I just can't sit and do nothing or I'll go mad. 3 empty bedrooms in the house so I put that in. afaik it's mainly women and kids, most don't have a word of English, the kids if they are older usually have some high School English a bit like our french. It's wait and see now, I'll know more tomorrow or whenever they get back to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    What's still bothering me is why is that shite box of a liar ambassador still in the country. ffs just boot him out, he is of no use to anyone now



  • Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well done , be interested to hear how it goes , I’d say will be very rewarding , I wish I had a spare room to do the same .



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They haven't the backbone to kick him out. There was some drivel last week about "maybe this week" but you see yourself he's still here. More waffle about maybe a citizens assembly on neutrality (couldn't be having a referendum) after the war. Hot air generators are all our politicians are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Despite the anger, there is always the risk of repercussions.

    What happens when the Russians **** Brian McElduff out of Russia in retaliation? Or worse



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭alps




  • Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Would ye have room on your farm or homes for Irish citizens?

    What a shallow lot ye all are!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,229 ✭✭✭✭event




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Hardly wonderful, I think more for my own sanity.

    (Plus if the Weather comes good I'll have great help for the Bog 😜)



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The only thing holding us back is the additional costs involved.

    Things are tight enough for us but they will be entitled to social welfare payments so would a contribution to costs be doable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    We already do that. Taxes pay for houses for the ones who are too lazy to get themselves trained or educated or even work in a job they might be qualified to work in.


    If they were cows in the herd, those ones would have been culled long ago and the new ones (e.g. Ukrainians) brought in and given their chance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Would lads be as ballse if Putin starts retaliation. Remember the hackers of the HSE. We are a small country with no real army. If a submarine came up the Irish sea and nuked Dublin, would lads start throwing stones at it or what. Keep the head down unless you have forty or fifty billion to waste on weapons like the yanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,040 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    There's still Irish citizens in Russia. A closed down Irish embassy in Moscow is fcuk all use to them. Dont think for a second it couldn't get tit for tat petty. He's been called out and shown to be a liar so just leave it there.



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Agreed there's more to play for than just kicking them out. The Irish need consular assistance in russia. It could get very tough for them with the way Russia looks at Ireland these days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭nklc




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    If your aunt had balls......?

    For example, a small nation, Iceland has no standing army, is significantly more isolated than we are geographically, has a much lower population, but IS a NATO member.

    Freedom isn't free and if we don't stand for what we believe in then we stand for nothing.

    Many countries have already advised their citizens to leave russia, Ireland are well behind this curve. Coveney out in the Irish Times this morning attempting to walk back the silly position on abstaining from EU weapons supply by saying Ireland HAS chosen a side, is NOT neutral, and IS supplying Ukraines military.

    The Irish Government has left the Irish in Russia in a bad spot due to this Governments persistent belief in waffle, thoughts, and prayers.

    One cannot be "a bit pregnant".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    Have you the same anger against the US embassy seeing all the bombing they’ve done and continue to do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,040 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Irish people have family, homes, careers, businesses there. If they're not under real threat, why would they leave? Would you leave your home tomorrow?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,337 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Think it's more to do with all the Irish planes leased to the Russian airlines.

    Russia have taken the planes hostage you could say and won't allow them be flown out of the country back to the Irish leasing companies.

    The value of the Irish planes could be in the region of €4.5 billion.

    Another reason why Russia is dunked. Who's ever going to do business with them again?

    Anyway off topic on a humanitarian thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    From the site:


    All properties must be close to public transport and within a short commute to villages, towns and/or cities


    This would rule out a lot of farms



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    No not at the moment. I don't know where the US is using heavy artillery on civilians or bombing Children's Hospitals. I don't remember any US ambassador coming on RTE news and to the Dail making barefaced lie's and untruths. It's for these reasons he should be removed or else a replacement ambassador demanded at the very least, if only to call them out on it. The Russians are on a campaign of trying to spread lies and justify the even more barbaric acts. No opportunity should be missed to publicly call them out to the rest of the world and the Russian people. Its when a small country like Ireland does something it can be very significant in the eyes of the Ordinary Russian folk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭micah537


    Giving Ukrainians a spare room is not the answer. People are thinking with their hearts not their brains. It's a lovely gesture to accommodate these unfortunate people but how many think this through?

    What happens if this war lasts 3 years and not a matter of months? What happens as food and utilities prices start to go through the roof or become limited? Are you going to hit breaking point and kick them out?

    If the Ukrainians receive 200 a week, how much will the home owners ask for? There are greedy people who will want the full 200 and still claim they are doing them a favour. There will be bulls@@ters who publicly claim they won't take anything and there will be genuine people who actually won't take anything.

    We are hear/know about sexual abuse cases around Ireland, I hate to think what a small percentage may have to go through with some sick freaks we have out there, you know the ones, pillars of the community, church going goody goody two shoes etc. Women will no english and stuck out in the middle of nowhere are going to be vulnerable.

    How many people who are willing to give a room, have actually ever shared a house in the past? I did in college and despite meeting great people there are some seriously strange and hard to live with people. Some have horrible habits that you might put up with for a month or two but they will eventually get to you. What then?


    Something better needs to be thought off. Whether it's unused hotels and hostels or governments pay for currently functioning hotels etc. For me the whole give them a spare room will be a disaster.

    Here goes, I'm ready for the vast amount of insults coming my way.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why bother with hypothetical.

    Our Foreign Minister has already hung them out to dry, the correct action would have been to advise them to leave in due time.



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  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes, they're the ones bombing Ukraine. Its not the Russians at all 😂



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