Random EV thoughts.....

Bandana boy · 06-03-2022 06:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739104#Comment_118739104

Yes they should have but a massive % of phev are rarely charged and a large % never charged

the_amazing_raisin · 06-03-2022 09:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739104#Comment_118739104

Road tax and the VRT rebate that was on PHEVs at the time

Alkers · 06-03-2022 11:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739379#Comment_118739379

I think that's more in the UK than here

RandomViewer · 06-03-2022 12:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739104#Comment_118739104

It only adds about 25-30miles to range on mo st of them so unless your one of those people who used to freewheel down every hill it's really not a big deal.

NIMAN · 06-03-2022 12:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740143#Comment_118740143

But they are more expensive and heavier, so not sure why you'd buy one if you never intended to plug it in.

And if we believe the stats out there of the avg distance driven each day by Irish drivers, then a fully charged phev would provide plenty of folks travel for the day, or at least a decent percentage of it.

RandomViewer · 06-03-2022 12:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740153#Comment_118740153

If you look at any of the secondhand ones for sale you'll notice that they usually have tiny mileage so weren't bought for economy, second car with wee tax

TitianGerm · 06-03-2022 01:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740198#Comment_118740198

If they've tiny milage then you should be charging every day as it's most likely been used for shop or school runs and possibly a short commute.

RandomViewer · 06-03-2022 01:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740395#Comment_118740395

Tenner of petrol probably does the week, faffing about with a cable by people who likely call an electrician for a blown light bulb isn't going to happen

NIMAN · 06-03-2022 02:25PM

Plugging an EV in daily isn't a hassle, to call it faffing around is making it sound like it's some big deal. It's one of the things usually said by those that are anti-EV.

If these cars have tiny mileage, it shows even more that they should have been plugged in daily, and they might have used next to no petrol at all. And considering they all qualified for a free charger only adds to the stupidity.

TitianGerm · 06-03-2022 02:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740463#Comment_118740463

If you can't plug something in you shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of a couple of tonnes of metal on a public road. It's operating a plug not bloody rocket science.

RandomViewer · 06-03-2022 06:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740630#Comment_118740630

The car runs fine without charging, they likely bought it for the wee tax. People will happily give a motor dealer thousands extra for a car with wee tax rather than hundreds extra to politicians who'll only waste it on cocaine and rent boys anyway.

Type 17 · 06-03-2022 08:09PM

I know of someone who bought a PHEV SUV for the cheap tax, and on the first service the dealer told him he was damaging the battery by not charging it and just driving around on the ICE. He sold it and bought a diesel SUV...

PS: Quick snippet on Ireland's wonderful charging network - drove from Waterford to Dublin the other day, stopped in Knocktopher for a quick charge, because you never know, and was glad I did because I stopped at Kilcullen to find one rapid charger Offline, and the other one occupied by a Hyundai which had been charging for nearly 2 hours (obviously some people don't care about the overstay charges). I drove on and charged a bit at Ionity on the N7 (could have got to Dublin without recharging any further, but the house I was going to doesn't have a charger, and I didn't want to arrive at 10% charge and then spend 20 hours with a granny cable out the window in these temperatures). Arrived at an AC charger near the destination house, to find it occupied by two EVs, charging since 09:20 and 11:00 (it was 15:00hrs). Set a "tell me when this point becomes available" on the eCars app, and went back when it dinged about an hour later. Can't wait to see how things look in a few years when EV sales have left the charging rollout even further behind...

PaulJoseph22 · 07-03-2022 12:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118742209#Comment_118742209

Charging network is a total joke and one dreads to think as more people buy ev…………

irishgrover · 07-03-2022 11:41AM

So it happened again last night... I had to Queue at a charger for the 2nd time in the last 3 or four years. Happened at Galway plaza. Leaf at the 50 and ioniq 5 at the 150. In fairness the ioniq left is less than 10 minutes. Last time this happened was Portlaise last year.

FYI: For reference I've fast charger 53 times in the last year with esb and a handful of times with easygo.

I'm exclusively WFH so my travel has significantly declined

NIMAN · 07-03-2022 12:03PM

Charging network in NI is poor.

I am in Coleraine morning and there is no 50kw charger in this part of the country at all from what I can see.

Only 1 in Derry.

And even quite a few of the 22kw ones around Limavady and Coleraine seem to be offline.

the_amazing_raisin · 07-03-2022 12:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118743625#Comment_118743625

The good news is that there are enough people buying EVs that the commercial operators are starting to get interested. Ionity is starting to expand, we're seeing Circle K installing HPCs. Fastned and Instavolt are both looking for partners in Ireland as well

AndyBoBandy · 07-03-2022 01:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744904#Comment_118744904

This is the only way it's going to get better, because it sure as sh1t isn't going to get any better with eCars at the helm.

M9 is going to be a regular occurrence for me now, and my only options going down are Ionity Kill (too close to home to be worthwhile), Kilcullen (too close to home but handy on the return, but either busy or not working right), or Bolton St carpark in Waterford (the only DC charger in or around the city, in an awkward carpark and busy (just checked and someone's plugged into the Type 2 on it)).

A couple of DC chargers in Paulstown would be great. That services was opened in 2016, how is that or any services allowed to open now without EV charging facilities??

At least the M11 has Gorey which covers the route well.. but on the M9, your best hope is the sh1tshow that is Kilcullen (and by the way, not sure if it's only me, but anytime I'm there, it's a bit of a kip, with overflowing bins and just generally untidy..)

mfceiling · 07-03-2022 01:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118745073#Comment_118745073

Would knocktopher be an option? Just noticed another poster saying there's a 50kw charger there. Literally 2 minutes off the N9.

boccy23 · 07-03-2022 01:21PM

With the price of petrol/diesel these days and also rising electricity costs, has anyone updated the running costs for BEV versus ICE recently?

innrain · 07-03-2022 01:50PM

Just found out that my future 120 km drive with Mazda MX is going to triple for one day. Went to plugshare to see if I would manage...

I think I'll be OK. Replicating a similar journey n IE gets me shivers though. As a tourist I wouldn't risk it.

the_amazing_raisin · 07-03-2022 02:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118745190#Comment_118745190

Spoilt rotten ye all are 🤣

eltoastero · 07-03-2022 03:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118745080#Comment_118745080

Something crude I mocked up using my previous 2 cars and current car (1.2L Petrol Audi A3, 1.4L PHEV GOLF GTE, Kia EV6). Data is over the last 3000km in the A3 before I sold it (6 months worth, Feb to Aug), the GTE the last 2500km before I sold it (6 months worth, Jul to Dec), the most recent 1000km in the EV6 (Jan + Feb)

it depends on where you're getting your electricity, faster chargers will cost you more. I expect efficiency to improve in the EV6 as the weather warms up a bit.

NIMAN · 07-03-2022 03:40PM

Problem with fuel calculators is that petrol and diesel seem to be changing price every 2nd day at the pumps.

AndyBoBandy · 07-03-2022 05:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118745078#Comment_118745078

I'm aware of it as a potential plan b if ever I was stuck. just would always prefer the online services, or at least a charger thats not SPOF

Dubwat · 07-03-2022 06:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118745078#Comment_118745078

I'm someone who had hoped to do Dublin -- Dungarvan, Co Waterford more often and Knocktopher has been very handy for me. Esp since the one on the edge of Waterford city has closed. But I think it's close to a major golf course and maybe a horse racing track so it might be difficult to use during the summer tourist season?

The mystery to me is Kilkenny. Looking at a map, the rapid charger there seems to be on the 'wrong' side of town for the motorway. It's almost like the locals have deliberately hidden it away for themselves, lol...

innrain · 07-03-2022 07:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747004#Comment_118747004

it is one of the AC swaps. To big detour for the motorway.

Dubwat · 07-03-2022 08:52PM

Apologies for sticking with Kilkenny for a moment. I'm digging up very old memories but I seem to remember a big 'services' location on the northside of Kilkenny city just as one was heading towards Athy (?). Most people would turn right at the roundabout to get on the motorway 5 mins later (J9 or 10?). But there was a McDonalds, petrol stations and a few others services there. Seems to me an ideal spot for a rapid/HPC charging hub?

I was quite surprised when I got my EV and started plotting my Dublin - Dungarvan journey. Kilkenny is kinda halfway between Dublin and Waterford, a major tourist destination, and arguably a gateway to the 'sunny' South-East :)

mfceiling · 07-03-2022 09:13PM

Paulstown would be ideal for a hub on the Dublin/Waterford motorway.

Kilkenny not so much as it's a good 5kms from the motorway to get to the initial roundabout for Kilkenny.

slave1 · 08-03-2022 02:48PM

North West still a blackspot, unplanned journey to Strandhill on Sunday, no fast chargers en route so stopped at Boyle AC charger, there was a Model X charging and luckily the other side of the charge point was both working and not ICE'd, thankfully I can take 22kW in my S so it was only a 15minute stop.

If we had taken herself's Kona it would have been a 45 minute stop which is not good

the_amazing_raisin · 08-03-2022 02:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118745080#Comment_118745080

I updated my spreadsheet there, assuming 12,500km per year, electricity at 6.95c/kWh diesel at €2/l (seems optimistic at this point) and 5l/100km average consumption, an ID.4 is over €1000 cheaper than the equivalent diesel Tiguan in energy costs alone

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