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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    More financial woes for Russia and its companies.

    Investment service provider MSCI is booting Russia from its emerging markets indices and is now calling the country a "standalone" market.

    The firm said Wednesday that Russian stocks were "uninvestable," based on feedback from "an overwhelming majority" of investors and asset managers following Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

    Starting next Wednesday, all Russian indices will be reclassified, MSCI added.

    On Wednesday, FTSE Russell, another index provider under the London Stock Exchange, also said it would cut Russia from all its widely tracked stock indices from next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    You say that as if they'll get a little congratulatory window pop up informing them they've acquired a new Xbox achievement to show off to their friends and then the game world resets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's like he's complicit in creating his own worst nightmare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,660 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Your thoughts on the "West" (esp. Germany) being all Business as Usual and merrily making money with Russia while Ukraine was invaded and carved up by Putin seem to have been somewhat incorrect. So this makes me unsure of your demoralising predictions now either.

    As I said before I think you, and morerso others of a right wing persuasion on here who have or had a bit of admiration for Putin and his methods displayed many times over course of thread, see these authoritarian states as strong/macho vs the weak "wokie" lazy and greedy West, and planning everything out 10 moves in advance + we've no hope etc.

    I don't think a lot of what is going on now is planned out by Putin and his associates in his spectre style lair somewhere. It's fairly chaotic.

    Post edited by fly_agaric on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Don't ask me to put my life at risk is closer to the subtext for some of them.


    Speaking of people who know what's going on here's a list of his inner circle/henchpeple.





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed, Russian assets and the rouble are toxic now, the market is just trying to get rid of them (if they can)



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not at all, it's just the rest of Ukraine holds no value for them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    This was written last year and makes chilling reading now in the light of Putins invasion of Ukraine




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The IOC seem to have been motivated by a lot of other countries refusing to take part, even with them under a neutral flag.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you think the Ukrainians will sign that? Would other countries recognise it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,138 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I ,for one, am extremely concerned that Putin will start WWIII. **** Psychopath . This is what it must have been like in the sixties and even the 30's when Hitler went on the rampage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Did they ever open their stock market?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    More the fifties than the sixties. Post Bay of Pigs it was a scenario of detente, even though the spectre of MAD was there until the SALT talks starting in the 1970s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Russia sent them letters demanding assurances for Russian security. The chutzpah is off the scale with this lot at the Kremlin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Just waiting on the elites to sort out their finances before opening up for the inevitable disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "How can stock market crash when it is not open, checkmate West"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    One of the few remaining dissenting voices in Russia gets shut down.


    Ekho Moskvy, a liberal radio station in Moscow, has been dissolved by its board, its editor Alexei Venediktov said, in a move eliminating one of the few remaining liberal media that the Kremlin has tolerated until now.

    The move came shortly after the prosecutor general's office demanded that access be restricted to Ekho Moskvy and the TV Rain online news channel because of their coverage of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Any scientists on thread? Got the below from EuroScience this morning. (Edited for brevity)

    We encourage all members of EuroScience, and all researchers and science professionals working in the Russian Federation, to evaluate critically the action of the Russian government and to join in the signature of the open letter of Russian scientists and science journalists against the war with Ukraine. 

    SIGN THE OPEN LETTER HERE

    (Founded in 1724 by Peter the Great and based in Moscow, the National Academy is the highest-ranking research institution in the Russian Federation.)

    The Letter

    We, Russian scientists and scientific journalists, declare a strong protest against the hostilities launched by the armed forces of our country on the territory of Ukraine. This fatal step leads to huge human losses and undermines the foundations of the established system of international security. The responsibility for unleashing a new war in Europe lies entirely with Russia.

    There is no rational justification for this war. Attempts to use the situation in Donbass as a pretext for launching a military operation do not inspire any confidence. It is clear that Ukraine does not pose a threat to the security of our country. The war against her is unfair and frankly senseless.

    Ukraine has been and remains a country close to us. Many of us have relatives, friends, and scientific colleagues living in Ukraine. Our fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers fought together against Nazism. Unleashing a war for the sake of the geopolitical ambitions of the leadership of the Russian Federation, driven by dubious historiosophical fantasies, is a cynical betrayal of their memory.

    We respect Ukrainian statehood, which rests on functional democratic institutions. We treat the European choice of our neighbors with understanding. We are convinced that all problems in relations between our countries can be resolved peacefully.

    Having unleashed the war, Russia doomed itself to international isolation, to the position of a pariah country. This means that we, scientists, will no longer be able to do our job normally: after all, conducting scientific research is unthinkable without full cooperation with colleagues from other countries. The isolation of Russia from the world means further cultural and technological degradation of our country in the complete absence of positive prospects. War with Ukraine is a step to nowhere.

    It is bitter for us to realize that our country, together with other republics of the former USSR, which made a decisive contribution to the victory over Nazism, has now become the instigator of a new war on the European continent. We demand an immediate halt to all military operations directed against Ukraine. We demand respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Ukrainian state. We demand peace for our countries.

    trv-science.ru/2022/02/we-are-against-war/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    You are probably right.

    I'm finding it difficult to articulate how dismayed, enraged, scared ... <insert any and all strong emotion here> this thing is making me feel. On the one hand I'd want to see the killing stop ASAP (on both sides!), but on the other, believing that if Ukraine and yes, by proxy, most of the rest of the world, capitulates or surrenders or makes concessions, we doom ourselves. Maybe not immediately and maybe not in an apocalyptically sudden 'End Of The World' style, but death by a thousand cuts - despots threatening other countries about who and how they make alliances, backing up their threats by effectively saying "it would be a shame if we had do what Russia did to Ukraine, wouldn't it?".

    I have no grand plan to solve this war. I believe that what Putin has done is illegal and I don't believe that he should profit by it in any way. Easy for me to say, sitting here in comfort and ease in Ireland. And that's also something that's causing me strong emotions, shame being one. Shame that I'm allowing people in Ukraine to fight and die for me and I feel like there's f*ck all I'm doing for them.

    So I apologise for lashing out at you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Does he elaborate on the 'plenty' of other options they had?

    Are they anything other than 'sit there and watch while we expand our 'defensive' military alliance to within a few hundred kilometers of your capital'?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,525 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I don't disagree but are Ireland not one of the most food secure countries in the world?



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No idea. Personally I think they'll have to put it to Russia that they have to fully withdraw, FULLY, from ALL Ukraine regions including Crimea etc and reparations to be paid to cover the damage and losses.

    Wont happen though, Putin is a basket case.

    At this stage I don't see how we avoid a WW



  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The hashtag #Istandwithputin is trending on twitter. Some of it is people asking 'why the **** is #Istandwithputin trending?' but a lot is genuine support.

    As someone said earlier we live in a bit of an information media bubble here in the west. If most of Russia, India, Pakistan, China, Central America, and even a significant group in the USA support Putin, that's a Lot of people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Perhaps not invading a sovereign country and butchering innocents to rewrite history?

    Countries are free to join NATO, now we see why. Finland and Sweden are now considering joining for the glaringly obvious.



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes we are. And we are incredibly privileged because of that. But the impact beyond Ireland will be massive. Even within Ireland it will be serious. The IFA put out a statement about the conflict recently that's worth reading: https://www.ifa.ie/campaigns/impact-of-the-russia-ukraine-conflict/



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hopefully China can persuade him to pull back with some promises of internationally run referendums but I'm not optimistic



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Actually I think the West missed a trick by not inviting the Russians into NATO in the 90's when the future of the country was in flux. We were pretty quick to welcome the ex Soviet vassal states into the fold, but with Russia herself the ball was dropped IMHO. Hindsight is 20/20 of course, but it did seem like an opportunity lost.

    Like you said we could have had Norway++ and even a more local manufacturing base instead of China, which in day to day terms holds us more by the short hairs than Russia does. The astonishing and welcome speed of sanctions against Russia will come back and bite a few sectors in the West, but now imagine the same level of sanctions against China. Well for a start I'd highly doubt they'd be imposed to nearly the same extent or with nearly the same haste if they went for Taiwan.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,138 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    True. Putin has by all accounts surrounded himself by KGB yes-men. Scary times with that headcase in charge of 6,000 nuclear warheads and nobody seemingly wanting or able to reign him in .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭deise08




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed sanctions hurt us, but they hurt Russia 100x more.



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