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Helen McEntee & Those Donations - threadbanned users in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,916 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    So she got three cheques from three different companies, and when she realised they were from the same donor, she gave the money back. What is the issue with that? The point is that when she knew, she did something about it, and returned the money. What else did you expect her to do?

    If she had kept the money and spent it, I could understand the issue. If she had a secret fundraising dinner in New York and hid the money in her NI part of her party, then I could understand the issue.

    This really seems to be a case of just throwing mud and hoping some will stick. Nobody can tell me what she did wrong, nobody can tell me which rules she broke, just some gobbledy-gook nonsense so far from her detractors, some of whom think she did wrong just by being elected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Nice to see they still look after their own and their partners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    My comment was clear. Theres a smell of cheese and onion off it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I refer back to my comment before. Best description for what is going on here

    "If the woman floats, then she is a witch and burn her"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,916 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    So a smell of cheese and onion is enough to get a whole thread devoted to your alleged non-existent wrongdoing.

    Standards are slipping here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭whippet


    so what you are saying is that if you keep talking about it others may just think that it's true ?

    As has been pointed out there is absolutely no evidence of any wrong doing .. but the outraged classes will always be outraged.

    As for her husband getting a promotion in FG ... he was working for FG before they even met ... so nothing unusual with someone getting promotions in work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    There was an article. A thread and like yourself i thought its worth commenting on. You know you are in a discussion forum right?

    No better man to cite standards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    No, I'm saying my comment is clear in what it says.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,765 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    We've seen all this handwaving before when questions were being asked and it resulted in a major long lasting, still underway Garda Criminal inquiry.

    Trying to shut down questions being asked then failed too.

    Once again we see a poster claim there was no wrongdoing without having all the info. Acquittal on an allegation when it is FG, guilty if it is an allegation when it involves others.

    You can say, she is not guilty in YOUR opinion, you cannot claim that is the only opinion though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭whippet


    yes - the trial by social media. Then the facts don't matter as long as the jury of your social media peers make their judgement.

    As I said everyone is entitled to their opinion; however proclaiming guilt is dangerous when there are no facts to form an opinion on. Think about the poor fella who was subjected to trail by social media for the awful attack in the midlands ... and yet he had nothing to do with the crime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,916 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    From what is in the public domain, there is no evidence of wrongdoing. There is no law that anyone is pointing to as being broken, there is no administrative procedure that anyone is pointing at being broken.

    As someone else said, it's a woman, she floats, she's a witch is the level of the accusations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭whippet


    and what does that smell mean ... did she do something illegal to assist the person who donated the money ..... has there even been any inclination of anything that she may have done ? or are you just using a type of dad joke to put the idea out there ?

    So what do you think she did wrong ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    The way it happened and her being in FG raises my suspicions. I can suspect without laying charges doncha know?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭whippet


    what are you suspicious of ... what is the wrongdoing that you suspect her of doing ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,765 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sorry?

    What proclamations of guilt have I made?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭whippet


    I didn't accuse you of anything ... but plenty of people on her have already made an assumption of guilt for an unknown crime. But - hey ... as you said it's all opinion !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    "Having a large illegal population will only increase crime." - Here's a fcuking mental idea, now bear with me on this, it's a doozy. If someone is here illegally, kick them the fcuk out. No sob story, no "won't somebody think of the children", no 'but shure he plays GAA and all'. Arrest them, detain them, log their details and put them on the next flight home and then invoice their embassy in Ireland for whatever it costs. If the embassy won't pay, deduct the costs over a year from whatever their country gets in Foreign Aid from Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,916 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You have proclaimed that people are wrong to form the opinion that she is innocent, so the corollary of that is that your view and opinion is that she is guilty.

    There is a binary choice of opinion here, innocent or guilty. You proclaim that she isn't innocent, therefore you are calling her guilty. What is worse is that you are not doing so openly, you are hiding behind innuendo and insinuation, using suggestion and intimation, a pretty low way of doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭whippet


    all the while we will be lobbying the White House for special exemption for the 'un-documented' in the US.

    Its not as simple as that. The majority of people in Ireland have sympathy and empathy and in a democracy thankfully the will of the people tends to become part of policy - and on the flip side the minority who have extreme views get to post stuff like that on social media and listen to the responses in their echo chambers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Taking money exceeding her limit. Which she did. I'm not sure how she didn't know or that the donor didn't and why he used three separate donations for three separate accounts. Its cool if you've complete faith.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    ..post stuff like that on social media and listen to the responses in their echo chambers.

    This isn't the shinner thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭whippet


    yep and she handed it back ... so what is the crime ? as you said you have no idea what she did, know or didn't know ... so unless SIPO direct an investigation or the guards / courts get involved I'm sure there was nothing illegal in it.

    So rather than just assume (which you have admitted to doing) how about letting the actual facts dictate what is and isn't right or wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,765 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The donor did know surely? Tis accountants came up with it to get around the regs. I thought. Correct me if I am wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,560 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    I think ministers should resign their position if they want to go on maternity leave. They are only in those positions for a few years. They can be reinstated after but it madness letting that happen. Even the legality of it. She changed travel rules for people from Brazil then went on maternity leave. Her replacement wasn’t doing anything for weeks. A friend of mine’s wife was stuck in Brazil waiting for her visa to be processed when someone from Africa gets on the radio with a sob story and gets in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,765 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No, proclaiming her innocence and that any further questions are wrong, is wrong. Just give your opinion is all you need to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Let's ignore for now any ideas of corruption. She was unable to spot multiple donations over the maximum amount for almost a year, down to a 'misunderstanding' in her office over the allowable limits. Let's forget the donations in question came from the same donator. They were all hundreds over the maximum allowed.

    She is underqualified for her position. She has no experience on any level, and this sort of incompetence at such a low level proves it.

    "The justice system has been broken for years, she has made changes but our biggest issue is we need more jails. I am not sure what exactly changes she has implemented but not sure how someone could question her role when she took over in the middle of covid and any legal changes take time. Maybe you could confirm what you think she has done wrong in this role?"

    Maybe you could answer what has been asked before, what has she done in this role?

    And these while you are at it.

    Why do you think she should be minister for Justice? What can you pinpoint in her life that makes her the ideal person to take on that ministerial role?

    It was questioned when she was appointed, and she is proving everone that questioned the appointment, correct. She is getting undeserved positions and promises because of her connections, definitely not her experience. If FG want to continue down that route, that is fine. But I wouldn't expect most people to support that nonsense as it becomes more apparent. Even the most staunch FG supporters would have to start questioning wtf is happening. It is a recipe for a downward spiral.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,916 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It could be worse, we have had people proclaiming the innocence of TDs that were only caught in an audit over-claiming expenses. Their defence of not knowing the rules was accepted by those who are throwing stones in this case.

    There is zero evidence in this case of any rule being broken. End of. All you have is you innuendo and insinuation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭whippet


    since when does a minister have to be qualified in the area they are in ? All the experts are in the departments under their control. A Minister's brief is to pursue government policy. Its a lazy argument stating that they need qualifications .... should their be a Masters Degree for policitican and then a PHD to specialise to become a minister ? TDs are supposed to be a representative of their constituents .. and ministers are selected from TDs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Oh the bold is out 😂

    I have already answered what she done in the role and what she done before. Which you seem to want to ignore. Even copying and pasting from my post but not include that bit. Little bit childish isn't it?

    Please point out any other TD in the Dail, in any party, you think would make them the ideal person for the Minister for Justice?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Except the bit were she took too much from one donor. You hand waving it away doesn't mean it didn't happen.



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