Helen McEntee & Those Donations - threadbanned users in OP

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720890#Comment_118720890

She returned it of her own accord. She didn't accept it. She couldn't stop someone using three companies to donate to her, what she could do, and she did, was return the money once she realised it.

This is completely baseless stuff.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720840#Comment_118720840

Did people comment on that issue? Ask questions? Proclaim guilt?

Yeh they did.

whippet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720890#Comment_118720890

from what I am reading when she was making her returns to SIPO the error was spotted and she return the payment. It came from three different companies so it is plausible that staff in the office wouldn't have considered it a single donation. No body is denying what happened but has anything illegal happened ?

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720844#Comment_118720844

I am saying she is severely underqualified. No experience whatsoever.

Maybe you could point to something she has done for her constituency, or in her time leading up to her appointment as MoJ?

The only other TD I can think of that was appointed so quickly was Zappone. Oh, O'Gorman and Foley.

TBH, FG defending it is all good in my book.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720906#Comment_118720906

How do you know she returned it of her own accord. She says she did the newspaper says SIPO 'forced her' to do it. Which is a dramatic difference.

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118714800#Comment_118714800

Ah yes the modern world where you get a pass because you are

• a woman
• some racial minority preferably black, but brown or even one of our own ethnic minority will suffice at a push
• gay, lesbian, queer, trans or god knows but definitely not straight
• a non historically Irish religion bar of course Judaism
• supposedly mentally ill

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720906#Comment_118720906

Grand so. Is it okay if some of us discuss it?

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720945#Comment_118720945

If SIPO forced her to do so, would that put her in the same category of those TDs who had to give back expenses following an audit?

Don't remember any of them getting a thread on that issue. Don't remember any of them being proclaimed anything except innocent by you.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721059#Comment_118721059

Whataboutery when it suits.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720933#Comment_118720933

What has Zappone got to do with anything? desperate attempt to switch the subject

You seem incapable of having the ability to answer a question, which suggest you have no answers.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720983#Comment_118720983

Not sure what this comment is supposed to be about?

HerrKuehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118712403#Comment_118712403

It is a fairly reasonable comparison to be fair. A lot of the posters on here are the usual SF supporters. So, if the concerned citizens are worried about the Helen McEntee donations their heads should be exploding when they hear about the millions that SF routed through the UK to avoid SIPO. The irony of it as well, using the UK's rules to bypass the rules in the republic.

Dempo1

My My it's gotten lively today , but of course as with everything in relation to a particular Political party , Lots of Questions, very few Answer's.

It's intriguing 7 days after creating this Thread , posing ligitmate questions ..

Misogyny

Shinner Bashing

Witches

Deflections

Accusations of Gender Discrimination

Thrown into the mix 🙄

We've even had Maternity leave entitlements thrown in for good measure.

But of course, still no real explanations of what has occurred, Put plainly for those not getting it. A Number of Donations made in convenient amounts, this was somehow "Over looked" , at a minimum and regardless of wether the donations were returned, serious breaches occurred here. Its simply beggars belief Helen Mc Entee was not aware of the donations.

Then there's her Explanations to Leo, I've mentioned how Ironic that is, given his own little predictiment and then amazingly Helens Husband appointed to a Fund raising Roll for FG, just very recently 🙄

Twist, Turn, Huff and puff till the house falls down, these are facts as reported and Not as of yet been refuted or Denied.

Questions also remain about the Celebratory Party held at Tayto Land and I'd be confident more than a few packs of cheese and onion criisps offered on the menu.

Some have said there's a wiff of cheese and Onion about this, I'd suggest a hint of Salt and Vinegar also 😏

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721116#Comment_118721116

Ah come on now you can't be that bad.

It should be the best person for the job not because someone ticks a box of some sort.

There is now a hierarchy of deserving and capability is way down the list.

jmayo

I destest Sinn fein and it is very plain to see if you can manage to find my posts in this screw up of a new site.

And I would have labelled myself a FG supporter for years all the way back to Garrett.

But the new FG is a cesspit of incompetent preening gits.

Sinn fein have lots of questions to answer, very serious ones, but that doesn't offer fg, ff or anyone else a free fooking pass.

Oh and as I said the FG schills are as obvious as the ones from sinn fein.

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721092#Comment_118721092

Zappone is an example of another FG appointment, that was looked after (but nobody seems to know why), Enda Kenny and Leo both looked after her, and we know how that ended.

You haven't answered any questions I have asked before, dodged them all.

Deflection? Coming from you??? 🤣

Come back to me when you have answered my questions from two or three pages ago.

whippet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720945#Comment_118720945

where did it say she was 'forced' to ... my reading of it was that she repaid it when doing the SIPO returns ? Shure - you can't believe anything the MSM says anyway

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721271#Comment_118721271

Why, where are you getting your info from?

The minister was forced to return the vast majority of a €4,200 donation given to her by Mr Coyle as it was in breach of Standards in Public Office Commission (Sipo) rules.

Justice Minister Helen McEntee won’t say if Tayto boss Ray Coyle gave other donations - Independent.ie

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721236#Comment_118721236

You can always tell when someone is totally out of their depth, it always but but but ....Zappone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721209#Comment_118721209

This again is a post which is suggesting a highly educated person who has won multiple elections and won praise from politicians across Europe got her job because she is a woman.

How dare she think she can do a job like that?

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721301#Comment_118721301

Highly educated my hole.

She did a basic arts type degree and then did a master's degree in a commerical type college, not a university.

Oh and she worked for a couple of years in a bank.

And winning a few elections is not some great indication of intellectual ability, academic achievement or understanding of a topic.

FFS have you seen the calibre of our elected representatives.

Two of them are making a holy show of us at this moment in Brussels.

Oh wipee do she won praise from fellow elected trough feeders around Europe.

All you keep dragging this back to is "she is a woman".

That is your entire justification for her position and it is your entire get out clause.

How fooking dare we question her ability because of course "she is a woman".

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721445#Comment_118721445

So we should be grateful of a 50% cut in spin 🙄 I must remember to email Leo to thank him

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721582#Comment_118721582

I suggest you read ALL of the article.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721638#Comment_118721638

I have , all of them , have you 😏, I'm expecting more .

whippet

Forced by who? Notice the media language ... the rules forced her to return it when doing the SIPO returns ... very different to a SIPO investigation which forced the return.

this is a media driven bit of mud slinging that you are falling for

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721887#Comment_118721887

How come then the rules didn't force her when the money came in?

And BTW that is not how I read the article. McEntee mentions nothing of being forced by the rules.

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721301#Comment_118721301

Yes. Zappone. Another example of FG pawning after somebody and appointing them ahead of better options in their own party, and promising them all sorts.

Sorry, highly educated? politicians across Europe?

You can always tell when somebody has no substance to their argument, just backing somebody, well... just because. ..

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721549#Comment_118721549

I think reading the first line of this post would stop most people from reading the rest of it, unfortunately for myself I read the rest of it.

I think the best is "a basic arts type degree", yet only about 50% of people in Ireland have a degree. 8% of people in Ireland have a Master. Based on that it is highly doubtful any of the people on this thread, including me, hold a Masters.

I find it strange that people lower themselves to try and insult someone else's level of education when they clearly have never managed to achieve the same level. If they did they would be aware of how difficult it is

jimwallace197

A minister of justice is meant to be above any mud. She has already been embroiled in many political controversy's in her short political career already. Enacting ridiculous legislation like online bullying isnt good enough & is only playing to the plebs. Also, where do you draw the line, its a dangerous piece of legislation & could end up affecting her target market more than she realizes, feminists with an agenda, as they are often known to be the heaviest of social media users. Could see that one backfiring on her when more & more women are getting dragged up in front of the courts for harassing an ex.

She lacks objectivity, barely stopping short of condemning all Irish men after the murder of Aisling Murphy even though it was one of her governments policies that caused this. Just silence then when it became clear it was a foreign national with no proper connections or history to this country. Shes not meant to engage in misandry, it was disgusting to see her revel in it against the vast majority of decent men in this country.

She lacks experience, she was out of her depth in Europe & is out of her depth in this ministry now. Michael McDowell (Senior Barrister), Alan Dukes (Economist), Sean Lemass (Taoiseach), Shatter (Solicitor), Haughey (Taoiseach) all occupied this position previously. She's an embarrassment to the position with her masters in communication & media studies. Ive met more than a few clowns with masters in qualifications like this. Couldnt tell their arse from their elbow many of them.

Main reason why she is where she is because she's Varadkars lackey. Nothing more, nothing less.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118722063#Comment_118722063

Online bullying is ridiculous legislation? Tell that’s to the family of kids who have killers themselves because of online trolls and bullies.

As I pointed out 8% of the population have a masters

jimwallace197

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118722119#Comment_118722119

Theres legislation in place already to deal with stalking & harassment, this was nothing more than an attempt to virtue signal.

I dont care about the % having a masters in a particular area, this doesnt qualify you for one of the highest positions in the land. Its mainly media studies for gods sake as well, thats exactly the opposite of the type of politician this country needs. All finger waving style but no substance.

Educate yourself on the legislation that the previous ministers introduced, the list is long & substantial.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118707259#Comment_118707259

I was wondering why the indo are suddenly gunning for her.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118722175#Comment_118722175

the online thing is to stop people criticizing politicians, they dont give a **** about a child

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720751#Comment_118720751

Expecting the law to be upheld is now an “extreme view”?? Fcuk me, the world is done.

Why not have a democratic vote on the amnesty? It would apparently win by a landslide

whippet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118722550#Comment_118722550

Because that's not how a parliamentary democracy works.

we don't need to go to the ballot box for every bit of legislation.

also there is a process (a very flawed one at that ) for dealing with these cases and this can't be trumped by the 'just arrest and ship them home' brigade

thankfully the majority of the people in Ireland don't think like yourself

MisterAnarchy

She lacks experience, she was out of her depth in Europe & is out of her depth in this ministry now. Michael McDowell (Senior Barrister), Alan Dukes (Economist), Sean Lemass (Taoiseach), Shatter (Solicitor), Haughey (Taoiseach) all occupied this position previously. She's an embarrassment to the position with her masters in communication & media studies. Ive met more than a few clowns with masters in qualifications like this. Couldnt tell their arse from their elbow many of them.

A modern Masters in Communications & Media Studies is literally not worth the paper its printed on.

The Irish third level system is quite frankly a joke now, the dumbing down of courses over the last 2 decades has seriously undermined the value of Degrees, Masters and even Phd's.

Its almost impossible to fail a college course nowadays and high grades are handed out like candy.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118723179#Comment_118723179

Communications lends itself to a lot of industries. At least she didn't drop out of in first year like Harris.

I would have thought studying media you either want to analyze it, create it or be some ones 'special advisor'.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118722701#Comment_118722701

We did have a vote on anchor babies and voted for them not to be granted citizenship. People seem to forget these things cost money.

whippet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724229#Comment_118724229

that was because it was a constitutional matter.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118722701#Comment_118722701

They did think like me when the anchor baby loophole was to be closed. It didn't go to the polls because the woke goons in government know it would be voted down by an absolute landslide.

whippet

using the term 'anchor baby' and 'woke' in the one statement means I have no interest in entering any debate or dialogue with you

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118723179#Comment_118723179

That's why only 8% of the population has a Masters and circa only 50% of the population have a degree. But according to you they are handed out like candy. It's interesting the length's people will go to instead of giving some praise to a person for getting a Masters.

The comments about "handed out like candy" doesn't seem to be correct based on the below.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/is-our-obsession-with-college-degrees-setting-up-too-many-students-to-fail-1.4522238

ButtersSuki

I live in her constituency and a Healy Rae she is not. In a way I don’t mind this as I’m not a fan of parish-pump politics. I keep hearing about her role in the Brexit discussions as a way of defending her but what did she actually do in those negotiations? Nothing tangible from what I can see.

I can’t point to a single thing she’s done that wasn’t playing to the woke gallery, but her lowlight for me was her tweets around the George Nchenko incident where she basically (as Minister for Justice) undermined the Gardai to send some right-on BLM-themed tweets at the time of his killing.

She always sounds flustered when interviewed and her lack of forthrightness when answering questions on this matter is not a good look.

She’s been promoted far beyond any obvious intellect or ability, and I think she’s horrifically under-qualified for such a senior ministry, but the thought of her climbing higher up the ladder is even more frightening.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724280#Comment_118724280

Nothing to argue back with. Fair enough.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724316#Comment_118724316

These tweets: https://twitter.com/hmcentee/status/1344584936267919360

What exactly is the issue with them? seem fairly standard to me. Unless you are getting her mixed up with some of the local TD's/coucillors etc who decided to gaslight the situation at every chance to try win some votes....PBP comes to mind

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724316#Comment_118724316

Touché 😏

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724349#Comment_118724349

Can I suggest you do a quick Google search , fascinating what comes up in relation to this , now Senator, Character reference she gave is a good place to start with 😏

ButtersSuki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724349#Comment_118724349

Do you think it’s appropriate for the Minister for Justice (in particular) to send out tweets like this in relation to a very serious matter for the Gardai within a few hours of the incident?

Do you think her tweets helped to de-escalate the tension around the incident at the time or help to fan the flames so to speak?

She should have held her counsel and said/tweeted nothing - to any of the parties involved, incl. the Gardai. But she couldn’t miss an opportunity for some self-promotion and injecting herself into the story.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724524#Comment_118724524

Yes it was appropriate. The tweet confirmed they would have an independent review and shared sympathy with the family. They did de-escalate the situation, if you want to see "fan the flames" then I suggest you look at some of the other TD's in the area. Ruth Coppinger is an excellent example of what shouldn't be tweeted

As I said yesterday, the best saying to describe what is going on here: "If the woman floats, then she is a witch and burn her"

ButtersSuki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724588#Comment_118724588

Oh yeah I forgot females are above criticism. Apologies.

ButtersSuki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118724588#Comment_118724588

By your logic, is your criticism of Coppinger not also sexist and misogynistic?