Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

I was in the park today as per usual around mid day & no one, not even the park rangers, obeyed the new speed limit. Nor was there a Garda in sight attempting to enforce it.

The new 30kph along Chesterfield Ave is frustrating tbh.

In normal circumstances I can see a need for the 30kph and on residential roads & I support it.

I also support improved cycling infrastructure in the park, however forgetting that the park is to be accessed for all is beginning to feel like a siege on anyone who dares to use a car to get there.

I expect some Cinderella period when they enforce it for a little while then go back to ignoring it.

It is habit though. We have lot of driver aids these days to stick to limits if people want to.

I don't think its a siege. Discouraging car use is inevitable. Its unsustainable.

Shifty summed up it nicely by telling us just to go away somewhere else. So we've basically done that a lot more often.

I came through tonight just to see what it was like. No one doing 30. Very weird in the dark and almost no cars. Passed by one bike. They are burning off the old road markings. Interesting to see how it works out.

Such a ridiculous post. Driver struggling to drive at 30kph could do with more lessons for starters. and the siege mentality might be dealt with by counselling.

No, 60 would be excessive. Cos if you post 60, folk will do 70. And a big issue, especially at night, is deer roaming out and not being seen in the dim lamp light.

50 was fine, it was a relaxing spin to enjoy the view, while still being safe. I suspect after this trial of measures, it will revert to 50 again.

You mightn't have heard, but it's unnatural to drive, full stop.

Proper Data stats on traffic speed in the park over the last 12 months.

I wonder what the highest speeding ever recorded in the park was.

Excluding actual racing obviously.

Maybe they need more signs....

Well it's a park. They don't want anyone driving down the middle of it.

Which is why they are directing all the drivers down the middle of it.

"This is the way"

Comedy central opw, complete laughing stock.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/phoenix-park-bus-route-delayed-as-gates-found-to-be-too-narrow-1.4815672

But what would they know.

Considering they've refused for years to make changes to the gates for modern practicality or safety, I can't see them doing it for this.

Last time they had a bus the OPW caused caused so much gridlock with traffic that the bus was unable to move around the park.

At least we have a cycle lane now. Which fits nicely into the historic and natural aesthetic they've refused to compromise on with the gates.

If you have cruise control you can use it to maintain the speed limit when the "design speed" is much higher, as it is on Chesterfield Avenue. At a lower speed it's quieter, less stressful, there's lower emissions and you have more time to react to any issues.

There's a very interesting video discussing speed limit signs and "design speed" at the end of this article: https://irishcycle.com/2022/03/02/sorry-but-putting-up-a-sign-is-not-a-good-way-to-lower-speeds/

It describes designing a street so that drivers naturally driver the desired speed e.g. narrowing a road slows drivers down while multiple wide lanes results in faster driving. In my submission to the OPW I did suggest such changes.

The OPW progress in the park speaks for itself when it come these kind of projects.

What history? been asking for the statistics that cover the past 12 months. No ones provided any.

You're basing that on what, OPW record on traffic issues, road design, or statistics, or a study of some kind?