Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Can Sky News please stop saying "new-que-lar" it's "new-clear". If I'm vaporized I want them to be able to pronounce the reason for my demise properly.

The EU membership for Ukraine should not be viewed solely as political .

Commentary on some media outlets suggest polish and Eastern block fighter jet ready to deploy.

Easy to deploy to defend an eu member.

Unfortunately, Putin's attitude right now is that Ukraine cannot join the EU, or NATO, if there is no more Ukraine to join them.

Eh?? I though the "Putinbot" talking point was that Ukraine will not be fast tracked into the EU

Lol. Which of these looks like the basket case? Debt per citizen:

fierce snaky feckers

That's just the Putin engaging in good faith negotiations.

Are these talks still happening in the same location, i.e. the Ukraine-Belarus border? I saw someone else posting that Ukraine were seeking talks in Russia now, which sounds more supplicatory (Oh, that's really a word. Thought I would get the red squiggly.) as if Ukraine thought the military situation was turning too bad.

What the Russians are currently offering is little less than total subjugation. Again, it's really an own goal for them long term. Even if they got what they want, the resentment they must have now sown in Ukraine means there can be no real going back in terms of friendly relations. They can install as many puppet governments as they want, but the Ukrainian people would reject it at the first opportunity given, or one they just take.

I think the Russians are basically just going to threaten the Ukrainians in these talks and say that if the terms aren't agreed to, they'll bulldoze Kiev and set the country ablaze, and it'll be on Zelensky's head because he wouldn't take the deal. Again, it reminds me a bit of how Lloyd George allegedly threatened the Irish delegation at the Anglo-Irish peace talks to accept or face 'terrible and immediate war'.

I find myself conflicted. On the one hand I find the whole scenario riveting. A real war being played out in my lifetime. In the ultimate age of information and communication. We normally only see or hear war in movies, plays, audio or read about in books. On the other hand this war has real life catastrophic consequences. Lives lost, infrastructure destroyed and just plain misery inflicted. I'm rooting for the Ukraine and with the rest of the world behind it Russia will not succeed.

It is crucial that Putin is forced from power be that through sanctions or a failed military campaign. All his cronies must also be held accountable for their actions. For reasons I don't understand the Russian people seem to love a strong man in power. However Putin is just a megalomaniac bully who has lost touch with reality. His desire to reform the Soviet Union is laughable. He is stuck in a time warp.

Lets not forget about Lukashenko in Belarus. He also needs to go. Another despot Putin lite. The people of Belarus deserve the chance to lead free and democratic lives. It is crazy to see history unfolding before our eyes. I am too young to clearly remember the fall of the Berlin Wall. But I now understand it's significance.

Hail Hail Ukraine may she free herself of the invaders completely and ultimately prosper.