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Storm Franklin - Sunday 20th/Monday 21st Feb 2022

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    1 of English tabloids newspapers said 4 named storms could be on the way for the UK...so presumably we'd get them as well...the Atlantic can be volatile this time of year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,932 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    We need to see Syraenbruens comparison chart. Amazing that Mace hit 141 gusts last night.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,242 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Yes next Saturday another and early March but could be 2 yellow warning events also including yellow snow warning Wednesday night.

    My 10year old daughter asked me "Daddy why is there a yellow snow warning when show is white?"



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I see there's a yellow warning for wind in operation for Wicklow and wexford from 9am to noon

    They could have issued one of those for Arklow nearly every day this week

    Currently regularly gusting to 70kmh here



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Probably the most exposed weather station to last nights storm

    Luckily in populated areas nearby probably near but not as strong




  • Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have to agree. Trees have falling all around where I am in North Sligo. I’m about 5km as the crow flies from the coast and the windows at my house were covered in sea foam this morning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    The storm of 10 years ago mean speed almost matched Malin's highest gust from last night. Below

    "At approximately 5.40 this morning, Jan 3, 2012, our station in Malin head recorded a 10-minute mean windspeed of 68 kts (78 mph, 126 km/hr, 35 m/s), making it a Beaufort Scale 12, hurricane force, wind.

    The station also recorded a gust of 91 kts (169km/h) around the same time."

    Last night storm did do damage but its certainly not one for the history books figures wise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,679 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Here's the ever anticipated and entirely predictable compared to the weather (😝) storm comparison table for max. wind gusts updated to Franklin and I included Eunice too. On this occasion, I have added Athenry, Dunsany, Moore Park and Mount Dillon into the mix also - don't ask why I didn't have those included before because I don't have an answer why!

    For Mace Head's wind gust of 139 km/h, I am going by met.ie which doesn't suggest anything higher than that throughout the night. I will update if I have to.

    As always for newcomers, values are colour coded to represent their warranted warning level based on criteria set out by Met Éireann: 90-109 km/h = yellow, 110-129 km/h = orange, 130+ km/h = red. Anything less than 90 km/h = green/no warning.

    On a national average using the stations in this table, Storm Franklin fell just short of Storm Barra in December (101 km/h vs 102 km/h national averages respectively) but was significantly more widespread than Eunice which had a national average of 94 km/h. Malin Head had its highest wind gust since January 2012 whilst Mace Head had its highest since September 2018 and the highest in Ireland since August 2020.

    The top 5 strongest storms on a widespread national scale in this table are Darwin (121 km/h) in February 2014, Ophelia (106 km/h) in October 2017, Erich (106 km/h) in December 2013, Doris (105 km/h) in February 2017 and Ulli (105 km/h) in January 2012 whilst the weakest by far was Lorenzo (76 km/h) in October 2019.

    I have slacked a bit on the progress of the sustained winds comparison table so it is still not ready - my focus has been on other projects. For now, I have given the sustained winds for Franklin vs Eunice below too. Feel free to provide your Durrow max. sustained speed Danno if you're reading this.

    EDIT: For some reason, the storm comparison table on Boards is very poor quality and can hardly make out the values. So here's my tweet of it instead if you wish to view it.





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir




  • Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭Donegal Ken


    Finner mean winds speed was in the red warning criteria of a few hours. Donegal should of been under a red warning last night was desperate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Meanwhile, the parent low caused some phenomenal windspeeds up on the southern coast of Iceland yesterday morning. Steinar (20 m amsl) reported a gust of 58 m/s (209 kph) at 06Z. The ridge of high ground near the coast no-doubt caused a funneling effect during the spell of easterly winds.


    Observations - | South | Icelandic Meteorological office (vedur.is)




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The key here is the word "widespread". Most areas were well below Red criteria, but this then again brings into question the policy of issuing colour by county.




  • Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭Donegal Ken


    That's fairly widespread from north of the county to the south of the county



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Little snowy old me


    Met eireann and MT'S forecasts are not mentioning to much in the way fo more stormy weather this week though I have heard some talk locally of another storm on Friday or Satutday this weekend. The reason I'm keeping an eye out is that I need two gutters repaired that got damaged last night, and the nephew can't come up to me until Saturday morning.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭trixi001


    If the same wind speeds that Donegal experienced last night, which were reasonably well forecast were to be experienced else where in Ireland, a red would have been issued.

    Wether or not these events should be a red warning or not is not really relevant, of they are enough for a red warning in one part of the country, they should be enough for a red in another.

    The winds were rough, trees down everywhere, looking around my estate this morning a lot of minor damage, fences down etc.

    The time of a storm isn't really relevant either..if its a risk to life, its a risk to life regardless of if its at 9am or 3am..lots of people are on the roads overnight for whatever reason and not always necessary journeys.

    I thought there was clear parameters that meant red warning and sometimes could be issued if the weather was below these parameters but other factors meant increased risk, such as leaves on trees or in the case of this morning..trees weakened by previous storms



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭redsteveireland


    I think I have finally found the location of the "Athenry" station, its 3 kilometers from the town. Would the presence of the raised M6 and M18 motorways have much effect on the readings I wonder? Although the M18 is a good distance away by looking at this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Rosswind


    Considering they went to the trouble of adding Marine warnings could they not have issued a Red Marine for the West coast and left the Orange on land thus reflecting the situation better?



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    Certainly for the larger coastal counties like Cork and Galway, it's ridiculous that one size colour should be expected to fit all.

    As I commented yesterday the wind in coastal West Cork (Bantry Bay) was absolutely horrendous for over 12 hours, yet we were in the same yellow alert zone as Mitchelstown, over 140 km away and 60 km from the coast!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Given the wind direction yesterday i don't think you would have been anymore affected than Mitchelstown.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,171 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Great work again here.

    Just one observation from a parochial view, but I wonder how well the two South Western most stations capture these storms?

    Sherkin has some high gusts but you'd expect it to be showing higher gusts more often than not than, say, Roches Point in East Cork. That said, I know Sherkin well as I get to spend time there. It is a fairly well sheltered Island in a bay with Cape Clear Island one side of it and Baltimore the other. I suspect if the station was on one of the headlands in West Cork then gusts would be higher.

    Valentia I don't know well and looking at the map it looks reasonably exposed, so it's very surprising its highest gust in 10 years is 137kph and even then during a storm where each of Sherkin, Shannon and Mace got to the 155+ kph. Is there a local explanation? You'd imagine a station on the west Kerry coast would get much higher readings.

    I appreciate the same may be true of stations further north I don't know about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    That's probably a very good point. Many other countries have specific warnings for "Coastal events", so maybe Met Éireann needs to adopt this too and make things clearer.

    e.g. Spain call them "Costeros"




  • Registered Users Posts: 33,758 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Franklin is bringing a lot of snow to Finland, they are fed up of all the snow this winter.

    If you want to know where all the snow went, it went there...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭Pangea


    Theres a good bit of damage to be seen along the roads today , sheets of a shed in the roadside, telephone lines hanging on the ground stripped from the poles. An ESB pole hanging sideways over a roadside. Power is still out in parts of Donegal since last night. Anyone who was in Donegal last night would not be saying that we didnt need a red warning. A real proper storm it was and quite frightening.

    Post edited by Pangea on


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    Perhaps thinking may not be your forté! The maximim windspeed at my closest station (Sherkin) yesterday was 78 km/h whereas the maximum recorded at Moorpark (close to Mitchelstown) was 41 km/h.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    There is no reason for insults, you were suggesting that coastal areas should get a different warning than inland, i am pointing out that while you may have a point when the coastal area is exposed to the direction of the wind, for example sw wind in bantry bay you would have a point but yesterday was nw so there the wind was coming overland, given your tone i won't be replying any further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Took a drive out to slea head today for a few photos

    Was windy but nothing to bad.

    Incredible waves at Clogher strand.

    Beach was covered in foam.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭corsav6


    5 cars completely wrote off yesterday at Breaffy House hotel outside Castlebar where some trees were blown over on top of them, nobody hurt thankfully but some absolute carnage.

    Despite what people are saying this is the strongest storm I've experienced at this location in 8 years, and I've experienced 2 red alerts at least. Yesterday and last night warranted a red alert on the west coast regardless of what ME state. The Furnace weather station was pulling in some decent gusts from this system and its sheltered compared to the local population. My weather station won't display anything above 130km/hr gusts and it went blank several times during the storm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,654 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    As mentioned there are no damaging wind gust scenarios evident in the guidance at present, but we need to keep an eye on Thursday afternoon and evening when I would expect "yellow alert" wind gust potential in similar areas to yesterday's worst-hit counties, and from a rather similar looking set-up within a west to northwest flow. The current maps look less threatening than Franklin at this time.

    Saturday has some borderline yellow alert wind potential from south to southwest winds more for the south coast in this case.

    Personally, I think there probably should have been a red alert for at least Donegal, Sligo and Mayo, but take it as a sort of compliment that the Met service probably looked at it during the day and said, "well those people are used to very strong winds, we can leave this at orange." If they ever do issue a red alert up there it should be taken very seriously if Franklin didn't merit one, then something that does would presumably be stronger than Franklin. Another factor was the duration of strong gusts, many of our reports here suggested an incessant nature to the storm and over six to nine hours; that was another feature that in my mind at least would suggest a valid red alert status.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,242 ✭✭✭pauldry


    No Red alert yet my car blew down the road, the neighbours tree blew down and a slate came off our roof. And this was just a tiny area. Imagine the whole area. I hear in Britain 8million trees have come down with the three storms. Hard to know if that's it for Orange and Red alerts for Winter 2021/22 but certainly a few yellow alerts and possibly an Orange for Donegal Thursday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    I see that a gust of 145mph was recorded off malin Head during Franklin, see below




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Absolute braindead, whoever wrote that, but because it's on social media the average Joe will take it at face value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,654 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    The top gust reported at Malin Head was 133 km/hr, which is 82 mph. Fake news. The error could be explained if somebody saw the value 133 and thought it was knots. Very little of Donegal would be there today if winds gusted to 142 mph.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭Dazler97




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Has this mornings storm a name or is it still franky



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Franklin is long gone. Just regular winter weather fare this morning!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭dmc17




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,877 ✭✭✭CrowdedHouse


    Thanks for adding Gurteen.....but...am....it's almost at the diagonally opposite end of the county to where you have it marked.. 😊

    Seven Worlds will Collide



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭dmc17


    It was actually on the map before but was sitting somewhere up near Cavan. Getting closer! 😂


    Edit: Think I have it now. There was another place called Gurteen in the south east of the county 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,171 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Good work, great tool. Just to say though that Moore Park is in the wrong place too. You have it near Waterford city in east Waterford. Its actually about 90km away in north Cork just outside Fermoy (about 40km north of Cork city). See below




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭dmc17


    Cheers, I'll update that one too. I added some of those new ones with a quick Google search for coordinates which is why some are off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭dmc17




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