Which used full BEV would you buy for €23000 or less?

Ioniq28

We're on our second. Couldnt suggest anything better.

Yes don't get the 38,get the 28, and pay 18-20k max.

Why the 28 over the 38? AutoExpress lauded the 38 as a big improvement.

Charging to 80% would take 40-45 minutes vs 20-25 in the 28. It's slower in the 38 because it is a 350v pack not 400v, and because the charge curve tapers super early slowing down the speed

If you never do more than 220-240km in a day then it's a non issue.

What is she driving at the moment? How many km does she do a day/week/month?  £650 a month on petrol thats over 400 litres of petrol, 40 litres would more than fill my Toyota Prius.

BMW 218i Active Tourer! Probably not the most frugal (although it's a 3-cylinder 1.5L engine). She probably knocks up 1500km a week and I'd say she's a heavy right foot.

A granny charger would not charge her car for 1500 km a week, that amount of miles needs a big battery car 60 kWh + at least and a proper charger.

That sort of monthly spend on petrol would cover a long range tesla on pcp Est. monthly payment£605 /mo.

I sure there is cheaper alternatives.

I'm supposed to be trading my 201 MG ZS exclusive for €22k so that would qualify as being under your budget. Looking online they are few and far between so hard to put an actual value on it.

Anyway, more range, newer, more useful space inside, warranty etc.

Any opinions on this car for my daughter in the UK? Assuming she can work out the charging (probably need 7.2kw home charger plus some charging while at work). 3 years old and 50% of new price. Big downer is 150,000km! What state will the battery be in?

Firstly we need to know round trip commute in km or miles. Then is work charging free, and can a work charge be guaranteed every day even if one or two work chargers are broken? What is long weekend trips? Does driver have access to a second car for longer trips like London to Scotland? Smaller battery Evs are better in Ireland as it's hard to go very far before hitting the sea or needing a ferry to UK. On main land UK people more often travel double the distances.

In terms of that specific car, generally Hyundai have a 5 year unlimited mileage warranty, however generally they have a 7 year limited mileage battery warranty (8 in UK), and that mileage may have changed. In ROI it was 200,000km but then changed to 160,000km. I would be ringing Hyundai UK with the reg and checking the limit (seems to be 125,000 miles). I suspect the one owner from new is worried battery is getting out of warranty, (while rest of car is still in warranty). High mileage on an EV is typically not that bad, and the ioniq has a much better battery than say equivalent leaf. I could see battery being ok to 200,000 or 300,000km, but ideally that car should be bought by someone doing low mileage and they may get 10 more years out of it. If it's bought by high mileage person, then it would quickly get into unknown 250,000km territory where you are out of warranty and life at that is unknown ad no one has done it on an ioniq yet. For the high mileage I would expect a much higher discount, particularly due to battery warranty out, and the risk a minor battery fault would result in massive repair bill. How they got to that high mileage that soon might be an issue, did they have a long commute with only home charging or were they a travelling sales person charging on public 70kW chargers every day which is not good for batteries Personally I would spend the bit extra for mileage that stays within the warranty period for a few more years until the 8 years (7 in ROI) battery cover are up.

I found this online, but check actual reg with Hyundai UK

The high voltage battery warranty covers a minimum capacity for a period of 8 years or 125,000 miles (for existing production models first produced prior to 2020) and a period of 8 years or 100,000 miles (for Kona EV 20MY and all new production models first produced after 2020) from the date of first registration, whichever is sooner; for repairs needed to return the battery capacity to at least 70% of the original capacity.

Where possible the high voltage battery components will be repaired and returned to the vehicle; if unrepairable the EV battery will be replaced.

(It worries me that they reduced warranty on newer cars, what are they worried about?)

Another vote for the Ioniq 28kWh

Bought one new 5 years ago for €25k, sold it after 3 years for €19.5k and here we are now another 2 years later and it is possibly still worth about €17.5k in a private sale. That says it all really, no other family car has ever depreciated less. And plenty of reasons why that is. It is just a great car, very capable all rounder. To get a significantly better EV, you will have to fork out for a Tesla.

I think our decision will be to go for a BEV and almost certainly the Ioniq. But which one? The 28 or 38?

I've read through both threads here. Thanks to everyone who contributed on those threads. I've also watched Bjorn's videos.

The main argument against the 38 seemed to revolve around the fact that it was much more expensive than the 28 and with it's poor DC charging was a bit of a rip-off! However, on the second-hand market in the UK, pricing is much the same with any differential due to age or mileage.

The fact is the 38 can still add 100km range in 20 minutes if charging from 10% to 50%. I'm not sure if that'd work from 30% to 70% i.e. is the rapid throttling of charge due to heating or SOC. It also has better range, newer interior, Bluelink support.

The main argument for the 28 seems to be the fact that it has a rock-solid battery that'll last forever. It looks like Hyundai simply spent more money on these batteries to get them reliable and long-lasting and then had to cut corners as EV production ramped up and new models came out?

So I reckon we'd be happy enough with either of them and it'll all come down to what's available and at what price. I tried ringing Hyundai UK about the 28 I linked above but they weren't hugely helpful. It appears that if the car was used as a taxi or hire car then warranty is limited. I'm not sure how you find out? Or even exactly what the warranty is on any specific car as these changed over time. Probably the warranty document in the glovebox is the most reliable source.

That car is Cat S though. How badly damaged must a 5000 mile, nearly new car be for the insurance company to write it off?