Star Trek: Discovery - Season 4 - (* Spoilers*)

CastorTroy · 24-12-2021 12:04PM

Just watched the 6 episodes over the past couple nights.

So Tilly gets a job at the academy despite losing 20% of her students on her first day?

Not a fan of Grey and was hoping when he got his body, he would be going off to continue his studies, but looks like he's now sticking around and will be an "essential" crewmember.

I'm no expert on character development but I'm pretty sure the way to do it isn't to have someone in the background for 95% of the time, come forward briefly, have them tell a story about their childhood then shove them back in the background where they will continue just to look at each other every time Michael says something. Though I might remember Rhys' name, maybe til the end of the season now.

Why not make more ships like Book's since that seems to be the solution to everything? Though apparently he's the only one able to fly it.

breezy1985 · 24-12-2021 12:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369495#Comment_118369495

Don't be complaining about Tilly's new job. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth

CastorTroy · 25-12-2021 06:48PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/StarTrek/status/1474122702495563783?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1474122702495563783%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fgizmodo.com%2Fembed%2Finset%2Fiframe%3Fid%3Dtwitter-1474122702495563783autosize%3D1

Taking a break after next week to make way for more Prodigy

Rawr · 05-01-2022 11:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118372765#Comment_118372765

I guess credit is due to their marketing for being honest about the focus of Discovery in that image. As I mentioned after seeing the Season 4 preview I am at least thankful for them for not trying to hoodwink me into thinking that they would try to improve their writing or move away from thickly laid Michael-centric melodrama. It was clear that this would not move away from a format or style that would just frustrate me further rather than entertain anymore.

We're now mid-season and I have essentially been experiencing the show via these pages here on Boards. The Star Trek gang here seems to have a wide spectrum of tastes, which is refreshing way to experience the show and very much appreciated. I far prefer to read about the episodes here on the various threads than to actually watch them and be frustrated by the results.

Mid-season, the conclusion I have reached so far is that my decision to not bother watching yet is still correct. I get the impression of a show that still has good ideas, but succeeds in ruining many of them though poor execution and a healthy dollop of Burnham. It was always that ruined potential that drove me up the wall, and it appears that Season 4 would do the same to me. In all honesty the only draw I have to watching is so that I can join the episode-thread discussions here on Boards. However it seems wrong for me to join in on those without actually watching the episodes. Thus I'm posting here in the overall season thread.

Ultimately it's the season as a whole that might decide if I watch anything of this.

TheIrishGrover · 10-01-2022 09:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118420482#Comment_118420482

Was actually coming to post the same comment about this image. I REALLY don't know why they just don't call it Star Trek Bernham and be done with it.

As you said, at least last time they didn't even attempt to make this look like it was going to be anything different. But the Part 2 trailer is all about the clickbait again. All dramatic and cool looking. So, you know, taken from the last two episodes. Everything else: "Hope... and the absence of Hope (Hope ALWAYS is capital "H"). Love and duty.

To bring you up to speed. Yes, it is still almost 90% Burnham, to the detriment of more interesting characters/storylines. The last couple of episodes have had an interesting plotline about the computer evolving. For ONCE!!!!!! it didn't involve Burnham suddenly becoming an expert in AI emotions but it was ALL about emotion. It was actually the only interesting thing to happen this season so far.

Rawr · 10-01-2022 10:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447824#Comment_118447824

Thank you Grover for the summary :)

Yea, I was really getting that impression from my reading. Essentially a decent Trek show repeatedly being eclipsed by its lead character while very little is actually getting done. I was afraid that skipping Season 4 might rob me of interesting information, but I get the impression that a 2 minute read would get me up to speed much better than trying to do a marathon watch of the season (which I can't see myself doing, even if the end turns out to be somehow good).

is_that_so · 25-01-2022 06:23PM

So, judging by some of these latest comments Season 4 is a pass? Have yet to dip my toe in it and there seems to be very little enticing about it.

flazio · 25-01-2022 08:46PM

Watched the first 3 or 4 by stretching my WiFi signal into Northern Ireland on the Friday nights (😏) but the two episodes that aired over the Christmas and New Year weekends I missed and haven't been bothered to look them up or catch-up on what happened in them.

Stark · 25-01-2022 10:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118532185#Comment_118532185

Well it's better than Season 3 for sure though it's still nowhere near as good as 90s era Trek or Lower Decks/Prodigy. A lot will rest with the second half of the season imo. Judging from the trailer, the first half has been largely setup for a high octane second half, it remains to be seen whether they **** that up or not.

Rawr · 26-01-2022 08:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533214#Comment_118533214

Which for myself is the deciding factor of whether or not I'll even watch the season. If I end up reading the finale threads and notice most of the gang voicing frustration...then this season is pretty much a miss for myself.

I guess it's down to each individual viewer's taste on wishing to watch a season or not, but in my case frustrating mis-handling of the material just isn't worth the time anymore. The chance of enjoyment is just so low. I really hope Picard doesn't fall into this category too.

Sleepy · 03-02-2022 12:45PM

The starship itself becoming a blubbering emotional mess was the "nope, I'm out" moment for me...

TheIrishGrover · 03-02-2022 05:32PM

It's.... Yeah, it's not good. Hard to recommend. Yes, better than Season 3 but that's hardly a glowing endorsement. Some interesting ideas but, as usual, solved with emotion by Burnham and Burnham ALONE. Will continue to watch as I haven't quit on a Trek series yet. But not expecting any improvement (Despite the clickbait whizzbang trailer for part 2. We have all been fooled by them before)

Mav11 · 03-02-2022 05:51PM

Yes, it'll never be accused of "boldly going". I'm hoping that the new season of Picard will be better.

a_squirrelman · 06-02-2022 01:11PM

Finally started watching this. I was really enjoying episode 1 until I realised we were looking at a galaxy wide issue again. Burnham’s announcement at the beginning of episode 2: “today we seek to understand a threat like none our galaxy has faced before”, not strictly true, every season has a galaxy destroying issue.

CastorTroy · 09-02-2022 01:44PM

Yeah but not like this one. The previous ones were different galaxy destroying issues. 😃

corkie · 10-02-2022 04:07PM

No thread yet for Discovery S4E08 'All in'?

Spoilers : - https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/star-trek-discovery-season-4-episode-8-review-all-in/

ilovesmybrick · 10-02-2022 04:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611515#Comment_118611515

Sorry, got caught up in work, created a thread here, https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058232356/discovery-4x08-all-in-spoilers-within/p1?new=1

breezy1985 · 10-02-2022 04:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118577155#Comment_118577155

To the point where Burnham has now been installed as the head of some sort of Senate that has power to scrutinize the government.

Evade · 10-02-2022 04:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611555#Comment_118611555

That's hilarious.

breezy1985 · 10-02-2022 04:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611622#Comment_118611622

But it's also true.

New episode sees the return of an old alien. It's been ripped apart online as the Disco team have needlessly changed the look.

Evade · 10-02-2022 06:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118611738#Comment_118611738

I didn't doubt it was true, it's Discovery after all. Who did they mess up this time?

breezy1985 · 10-02-2022 07:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612172#Comment_118612172

Changelings are sand now not goo

Evade · 10-02-2022 07:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612276#Comment_118612276

More pointless change for the sake of change.

pixelburp · 10-02-2022 07:08PM

Hahahaha oh god. This show.

Mav11 · 10-02-2022 07:21PM

Doesn't seem to be going down too well with audiences!!

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/star_trek_discovery/s04

pixelburp · 10-02-2022 08:15PM

Given Rotten Tomatoes counts shoulder shrugs as "fresh", I was sceptical critics were that favourable to the point of the surprisingly high 92% (JFC I hate the percentages points trying to imply scientific accuracy).

Indeed I had a look at the 13 reviews and many read as preair reviews, with a bunch only of the first episode complimenting the action and spectacle; while others are indeed, just "meh" at best. 92% me arse; nobody's fond of this.

Evade · 10-02-2022 08:28PM

Rotten Tomatoes' percentage is based on how many critics don't hate the thing. 92% just means 12 out of the 13 didn't hate it which is still too high

ilovesmybrick · 10-02-2022 08:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612648#Comment_118612648

While I would agree, the fawning on the reddit trek sites and some other review videos is frankly ridiculous. I think one of the few negative (and I mean very mildly negative) reviewers, I think on the AV club, essentially stopped all reviews due to low readership, whereas the mostly very positive I09 reviewer (same company) is still going. Same with a lot of the podcasts. I'm a big fan of the Greatest Generation guys, but their recaps of Disco just don't align with their overviews of TNG, DS9 and VOY, or for that matter Lower Decks. There were classic episodes of Trek that were dragged over the coals, albeit in a fun manner, whereas Discovery in particular gets a pass, even on their most egregious BS. I don't want to go down the road of "No, it's the children that are wrong", but I find it hard to see it as anything other than needing to keep Paramount onside to get access to screeners and cast.

To be honest the only serious criticism I'm seeing is either on this site, or on the massively downvoted comments on either reddit or other reviews. The rest are "I didn't think they could top the last episode, but they did. GREATEST SHOW EVER!" nonsense. To be honest I disagreed a lot with Red Letter Medias reviews of Picard, but those guys are big into their Trek. Their criticism got links to their videos banned from r/startrek. Utter nonsense, and the reason the show has only improved very marginally in four seasons.

pixelburp · 10-02-2022 08:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612736#Comment_118612736

Well that's what I mean. "Didn't hate it" is a deceptive, underwhelming metric; while given fans are more prone to reactive extremes you often get these lopsided "scores" between critics and audiences, the only real difference being critics less likely to hype or hate a thing - yet that boilerplate shrug of indifference gets an inaccurate 👍 from the site.

breezy1985 · 10-02-2022 08:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612747#Comment_118612747

Problem is every amateur and a lot of the professional reviewers seem to be either in the best show ever, they ruined Trek or it's too woke blaa blaa camps.

It's so hard to find a review that is honest about the good and bad of the show rather than just plowing on with their season 1 preconceptions.

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