This whole cancel culture myth

anewme · 06-02-2022 1:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118588977#Comment_118588977

Was George Hook not in trouble for victim blaming in a rape case?

Nothing contrary about that?

It would seem he cancelled himself through his own ignorance.

stellamere · 06-02-2022 2:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118589047#Comment_118589047

Yep, you're correct, he was fired for victim blaming; but he actually wasn't victim blaming.

He wasn't victim blaming because the man in the trial he was talking about was found innocent. The jury didn't believe her account so she wasn't a victim.

He made a comment about how its not a good idea for young people to get so inebriated that they cant look after themselves, in the context of lamenting the fact that most of these incidents occur when there is alot of drink involved.

A perfectly sensible suggestion for young people but of course a man telling such a blindingly obvious fact to both men and women is interpreted as victim blaming and the people that I referred to in my previous comment, those self appointed bishops of the new moral order, had him cancelled.

Quantum Erasure · 06-02-2022 5:09am

@stellamere

Kevin Myers was completely and shamefully cancelled, on the laughable pretense of antisemitism, despite him being probably the one pro Jewish journalist about.

came across this quote from 2010 by Stewart Lee

“No one cares about this sort of thing any more. To the average punter there’s no difference between Jimmy Carr and Jim Davidson, between irony and intent, except that Jimmy Carr is much better and more original. But ethical and political questions are largely irrelevant to today’s comedy consumers. Comedians are little more than content providers”.

magicbastarder · 06-02-2022 10:43am

an interview with frankie boyle, who used to write jokes for jimmy carr; and richard osman asks him about one of the most controversial ones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zMU6-zuKj8

anewme · 06-02-2022 10:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118589147#Comment_118589147

I looked it up there. The wording was "Is there no blame to the person who puts themselves in danger?" Now, that is not specific to that case, but promoting a victim blaming culture in general. You could say a woman puts herself in danger by going out in a short skirt? Or more recent comments in respect to recent events, women should not go out at night alone.

This is textbook victim blaming at its most blatent.. He deserved to get into trouble on it. It also appears his colleagues on Newstalk felt the exact same.

magicbastarder · 06-02-2022 11:07am

you have to wonder if newstalk were worried about him saying something worse - i know a guy who was on the show as a guest, and apparently the off-mic stuff was way worse than what made it onto air.

i remember listening to his show once - one of the few times i did - and he had a male and a female guest on talking about technology. he was exceptionally rude to the female guest, really dismissive, and made no bones about it - and then read out a message from a listener. it turns out it was his daughter who messaged the show to ask the producers to get her dad to stop being a pig. he thought it was funny.

Mad_maxx · 06-02-2022 11:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118588736#Comment_118588736

That's not really a big reveal, Mark Zuckerberg is Jewish, Jewish voters have almost the highest bias towards the Democrats, something like 80%

Only African Americans lean more blue

anewme · 06-02-2022 11:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118589636#Comment_118589636

Yes, I thought about that afterwards, he was well known for being sexist in general. It was excused as being "contrary" or "old school" but he definitely was one of those, who thought you could just say anything to people and get away with it.

Wibbs · 06-02-2022 12:27pm

Facebook, Twitter et al don't give a flying one about politics, so long as it doesn't impact the bottom line. It's more a personal hobby and expected political compass of their owners. Facebook have forty 'genders' not because of inclusiveness, but because of optics and adding more categories to fine tune their advertising and data gathering. If ISIS took over America they'd all change their tune to suit that. Like Hollywood it's all about ringing tills and bums on seats. When America was anti left, Hollywood was right wing, when the hippies came along they swung towards that, when civil righst started to gain wider traction they swung there too, so it's hardly a shock that they go 'woke' now. The second it stops selling, they'll swing again.

The antics of a prick like Weinstein were an open secret in the biz, but they all played along, even supported him, because he both filled cinemas and hoovered up Oscars. When his star started to wane, oh look #metoo and he's a deviant, lock him up! The only thing different was he was a has been deviant and many of his victims only came out because their stars had waned, so it wouldn't damage them by doing so. Follow the money. Every time. Same with Facebook, Twitter, Spotify whatever.

ancapailldorcha · 06-02-2022 12:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118589879#Comment_118589879

Pretty much. I'd say the likes of Bezos and Zuckerberg are only vaguely left wing in that they are probably amenable to LGBT marriage and abortion rights and that's probably an age and education thing more than anything else.

Their views, the ones that really matter are probably far to the right of even most in the GOP, ie that taxation is theft and that the state should be as small as possible. They have no interest in anything detrimental to their material interests, even if it would improve infrastructure, education and access to healthcare. They're not stupid enough to actually admit this, mind. As you've said, follow the money.

stellamere · 06-02-2022 8:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118589574#Comment_118589574

Sorry about that, i didn't realise he used the word "blame".

I had thought he was shocked at the amount of drink and drugs involved in the case and was wondering aloud if the incident in question would have occurred if not so much alcohol and drugs was involved.

I'm not a puritan, and have been maouldy drunk plenty of times, but I have friends who are consultants and they are seeing people as young as 19 coming in jaundiced and with liver cirrhosis. This type of drinking and its repercussions is definitely something that should be discussed, but certainly not as a way to attribute blame to a victim of assault or sexual assault

Christy42 · 07-02-2022 2:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118591915#Comment_118591915

Ok but liver issues is entirely separate from sexual assault. I agree that this can be talked about but only bringing it up for a sexual assault case is utter bull and I won't entertain it for a second. Bring it up separately otherwise it just comes across like those people who only care about the homeless when discussing immigrants.

stellamere · 07-02-2022 3:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118594876#Comment_118594876

Hi Chrsty. Liver issues may unrelated, but i only raised cirrhosis to highlight that the level of drinking seems to be increasing.

Alcohol and sexual assault are certainly not unrelated and I don't agree it's bull to say it is, because the stats are quite shocking.

88% of defendants were binge drinking at the time of a sexual assault and 45% of complaints were. So sexual assault and alcohol go hand in hand. I don't see that it can benefit anyone to place an omerta on this link. I'm not sure if secondary school kids are told of these stats by parents or school, but they should be, so that they can see the risks involved.

In my last line of my previous post I said that any conversation about drinking and its repercussions should not be done in any way which might attribute any blame to the victim.

I fully agree with your point that the amount of alcohol a victim might have drunk is irrelevant . It's almost a worse crime given the additional vulnerability of the victim

Furthermore I can understand why females don't like getting told where they can and can't go, and what the can and cannot do.

I'm realise I'm after going completely off topic now and will probably get cancelled by the moderator myself.

BaywatchHQ · 07-02-2022 6:55pm

I try not to get involved in cancel culture, if I stopped listening to a musician or stopped watching a show because I didn't like the people who made it then I wouldn't have any entertainment left. I actually go out of my way to avoid listening to interviews of my favourite actors and musicians as I know I will end up disliking them. It is better to live in blissful ignorance and just enjoy the media.

Tell me how · 08-02-2022 1:10am

More evidence that Facebook was/is most definitely not Left wing.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1490795451972567047

Just Some Young Lad · 08-02-2022 1:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058227344/this-whole-cancel-culture-myth

Preface: I neither like nor endorse the following person or the comments that led to their cancellation. I am merely adding it because it fits the description of the posters question. Someone that said something, that offended a lot of people, but did not engage in criminal activity, and was cancelled as a result.

Milo Yiannopolous was cancelled as far back as 2017. After he made comments that were interpreted to be in support of pedophilia. He was then cancelled, and for good reason. The cancel started as a mass backlash through social media, such as Twitter, then progressed to formal cancellations of books, talks, etc.

https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2017/feb/21/milo-yiannopoulos-book-deal-cancelled-outrage-child-abuse-comments

hawley · 08-02-2022 1:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118587796#Comment_118587796

"Personally, I avoid his show so don't really have a huge amount of skin in the game."

08-02-2022 1:58am

If you work for a .com here in Ireland chances are you have come accross some people involved. If you get to know them well, they may tell you over some pints, what its all about. I know of one group that seem to be linked to another group in Cork and they use "recommend a friend" referrells to bring people into their companies, with social media companies as well as media and entertainment in Ireland being a goal. It doesnt seem to be 1 big cabal but smaller groups with similar goals but who also bicker and fall out. I do know that there is a socialist element to it,which seems to be masked as social justice. They target people who have influence and use tactics much like people who speak out against scientology. I know at this moment in time its causing some concern within said companies, due to the amount of power thats being flexed and its being watched very closely especially after the Netflix fiasco.

Tell me how · 08-02-2022 3:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598169#Comment_118598169

Conspiracy forum is all the way down the hall.

growleaves · 08-02-2022 12:59pm

'I am old enough when it was the right wingers who were the censorship types.'

If you've seen the documentary 'The Rocky Road to Dublin' there is a film portrait of a member of the censorship appeal board Liam O Briain.

The film is meant to be a hatchet job on traditionalism but imo O Briain comes across as considered, sensitive and intelligent.

And while it's outside the experience of Irish history, there were plenty of Stalinist students on American and European universities campuses in the 1920s who were pro-censorship, pro-Bolshevik and anti-Christian.

They only lacked the power to clamp down on ordinary speech.

Quantum Erasure · 09-02-2022 6:49am

https://mobile.twitter.com/MurderofBirds_/status/1491214331165708288

BruteStock · 09-02-2022 10:20am

Similar to the JK Rowling hate mobs - progressives bully , harass and run Awkwafina off twitter

https://deadline.com/2022/02/awkwafina-addresses-blaccent-aave-criticism-1234927325/

10-02-2022 12:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598218#Comment_118598218

Nice attempt at gaslighting. Yet its all out in the open. But you do have to leave your bedroom to experience things....

Quantum Erasure · 13-02-2022 8:15pm

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cancel-jimmy-carrs-irish-shows-travellers-urge-venues-kbtdxh08j

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jackboy · 13-02-2022 8:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118626108#Comment_118626108

Can’t believe how many people weren’t intelligent enough to even get that joke by Carr.

B.A._Baracus · 14-02-2022 1:21pm

Something I don't get is when say someone becomes famous. Be it a singer, actor, TV personality whatever. Why is there old social media still out there? Delete it all.

If youre famous on the pigs back making good money don't talk about things as well. Don't tweet your political views or talking about transgendered issues or whatever.

Hangdogroad · 17-02-2022 7:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598127#Comment_118598127

Throw up that picture of him from the RTE Guide where he's got a big bulge in his pants if your shtick is Marty pics.

Tell me how · 04-03-2022 3:35am

De Santis trying to prevent discussions around sexual identity in Florida schools.

That can only end well.

AllForIt · 04-03-2022 10:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729496#Comment_118729496

Can you please provide a proper link to this instead of a pic.

Btw, there is no such thing as sexual 'identity'. Sure, sexual 'orientation' is a thing.

Tell me how · 04-03-2022 11:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729496#Comment_118729496

Google is your friend

Sexual identity is how one thinks of oneself in terms of to whom one is romantically and/or sexually attracted. Sexual identity may also refer to sexual orientation identity, which is when people identify or dis-identify with a sexual orientation or choose not to identify with a sexual orientation.

Quantum Erasure · 04-03-2022 11:21pm

^ wokeism of the day

Tell me how · 04-03-2022 11:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118734294#Comment_118734294

#triggered

Quantum Erasure · 04-03-2022 11:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118734416#Comment_118734416

not really, just wondering would that cover something like a married man having a Grinder account, hooking up with guys, or having a long term boyfriend, but 'identifying' as straight