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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,746 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    We're back to 2020 where children were "vectors"

    It's sick

    Sure all these teachers are free to hit the restaurants, pubs and nightclubs free of the masks outside of school hours.. so who is this crap for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    I really don’t get this. Teachers are vaccinated and boosted and a significant number must of also caught covid especially given the numbers who got Omicron. It’s very rare for a child to get seriously I’ll from Covid. At one point it was said Flu was still a bigger threat to children then Covid. So what exactly is the purpose of the masks? We saw from Omicron peak there won’t be a big spike in hospitalisations or ICU admissions. So is there a justification for them in schools. What is the cost to a child’s developing immune system?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    TBF it's that inherent caution in most scientific and medical people we've got used to during this, that if the data doesn't say it yet then it's not true yet. The WHO taking an inordinate amount of time to declare an obvious pandemic was the first example of it. As irritating as it is it does preclude the media and social making their own pronouncements and inventing their own "facts". We'll see where we are on 28th of the month, all indicators are pointing towards things being dropped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    But by doing so he's completely ignoring those principles and merely encouraging the hypocrisy of his colleague.

    I was in the office yesterday and didn't wear a mask at all and haven't throughout. About 70/80% of staff not wearing masks either. Why would I? Like the ridiculousness of previously being expected to wear masks going to the table or toilet in a restaurant but sitting there among others unmasked as long as you like, it MAKES NO SENSE - and personally, regardless of the social "consensus", I'm not good with things that don't make sense!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    You think the indicators are pointing to masks being dropped ?

    Its hard to call I suppose



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It think it'll be more of a case that there will be no justification for them. Medical environments sure and maybe advisory on transport but that should be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    The way holohan is talking I dunno

    Hopefully and we'll see what the trends are elsewhere in the meantime



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I think there have been times during this where scientific advice has looked very stupid but rather than complicate public messages with a raft of exceptions they've opted for the blanket approach of people inside together in numbers danger. We are now IMO at the stage where people can make their own calls about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Hmm you just did 😁


    And so did I ..

    Seriously though ,blaming teachers I dunno ,poor effort



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    For the CMO this is very upbeat stuff and we have moved out of the pandemic phase so the need for such measures should go as well. It is only the 2nd February and we'll look even better in four weeks but I'd be surprised if there were any announced changes on the last bits until then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    To me it sounds like the CMO is laying the groundwork for keeping these measures long-term without justification. The science shows us that Omicron is dominant, does not usually translate to severe illness, and puts little additional strain on the health service. Despite these facts, our experts are insisting on maintaining restrictive measures. What’s worse the measures they want to continue seem to have little effect against the spread of the virus (mask mandate in place but we had 10s of thousand of detected cases per day…).

    I really hope you’re right and that all of the remaining measures are lifted soon but I find it really difficult to trust our experts when they don’t seem to be following the science.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I just follow the trend elsewhere

    Like if the mask mandates are lifted every where else they will have to lift them here

    Don't have much faith in holohan to be proactive , he seems to be ultra conservative in his approach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    I have read the RSV another respiratory virus in children is rampant at the moment. I cant see them telling us this restriction is for a non covid illness..but apparently children are getting sick from it, and are ending up in hospital too.

    I personally dont think the masks work to the effect they were sold to us, but reading an article the other day and weakened immune systems in children due to less exposure/lockdowns/pods etc, means we now have an increase in RSV in children. RSV is more dangerous to children than covid.

    However, same concerns for elderly/vunerable etc to catch RSV are there. the issue really is.. do we accept the masks/ windows open etc to reduce the possible spread of this RSV, because, they cant in reality tell us its not for Covid, but for something else?

    Or is it they want to keep up with the covid theatre, I am in no way pro-tony, but this is the only explanation that I can see..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so



    I'd put it in the we're not there yet category of CMO-speak. We're at a strange point where for now he says we may need them but next week he could say we are advising off with the masks. NPHET will need an extremely compelling justification for general mask wearing past February, especially as they have stated we are now looking at a very different phase. I also think they will come under a lot more pressure politically if we are the only ones in the EU with masks in March, perhaps even to the point where the government will move without them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    If it isn’t about the teachers then what is it about? Oh and I have posted in this thread far more than you, whoever you are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Same question to you, if it’s not about the teachers what is it about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    ^ you think the teachers want the windows open ?


    My last reply to this ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    I think the teachers only care about themselves. I bet the teachers in the schools where the kids aren’t allowed to wear jackets are wearing jackets. Are you a teacher?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,643 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Whats the story with the co2 monitors in classrooms? , has co2 gotten anything to do with covid??

    All the schools have these now and unless the windows are open it seems these monitors go red. Never had them when i was a kid and nobody seemed to suffer but are our kids going to have to shiver every winter foreveer now because of these devices? Talk about the cure being worse than the disease.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    What? We didnt lockdown because of 1918. And there have been many pandemics since 1918.

    Pandemic plans have existed prior to covid, no they did not involve lockdowns etc because there was no scientific basis for that. The problem was that after seeing China lockdown (as authoritarian states do), hysterical people over here were demanding that their governments lockdown. The existing pandemic plans were thrown out the window almost everywhere except for a select few (Sweden mostly followed their original plan), while the rest dropped everything in favour of Chinese-style totalitarianism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    The scenes in Italy and then the media getting stuck in

    There wasn't much chance for rational thought and debate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Panic is always maladaptive. Yet most people 'stand by' their irrational decisions and predictions from that time. There is little repentance or reconsideration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    We kind of used 1918 as the template for a global pandemic but I agree it was mostly countries just copying each other. Our pandemic plan IIRC was at least a decade old and largely cut and pasted from an older Australian document, Italy's was well over 20 years old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭foxsake


    you'll hear fcuk all about The Johns Hopkins Institute on claire byrne or whatever RTE sh1tehawk program is banging the covid misery drum .

    Matt Cooper will probably mention in an effort to dismiss it as far right misinformation or russia.

    where do we get this idiots in the media from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    "Whats the story with the co2 monitors in classrooms? , has co2 gotten anything to do with covid??"

    Show if air exchange is sufficeint or not, I presume.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭cannonballTaffyOjones



    For a country that wanted to lead the world in treating Covid as an endemic flu and "learning to live with it" - this is a regressive step backwards.

    And it was very sneaky, they lumped the bill in with a vote to increase pensions due to inflation, so of course no one would go against it.


    In other news, I see the media are trying to fear monger over BA2 new variant, seems it's not more severe, but god , people really want this to go on and on and on don't they ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,792 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2022/0202/1277247-coronavirus-politics/

    NPHET latest advice, in a change from the norm I can see wide public support but not much support from govt

    Dr Holohan said that he felt that the strengthening of public health systems is an area in need of improvement, not just in Ireland but around the world



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The original source of that story suggests it will be a matter of weeks and at the discretion of the Minister so they are now much same as us. It also seems that it's also down to the decisions of regional governments.


    From El Pais feed about 2 hours ago (Google Translate))

    After the decrease in the transmission of COVID that has been registered for more than a week, several communities believe that it is time to end this obligation, such as Madrid, Catalonia, Castilla-La Mancha, Castilla y León and Galicia

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,680 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Weird flex. "I've posted more than you so your opinion doesn't count"...?

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