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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭joe35


    Thanks jebuz, a fairly detailed reply and I tip my hat to your superior knowledge.

    I just constantly see people running poorly saying they need to up their mileage. When they clearly need to cut back as they are not running correctly as is.

    I'd agree a lot us to do with caution when increasing mileage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    Superior knowledge? doubtful, just my opinion formed over the years and through my own observations and failings. I also see the same poor running styles and an unwillingness to compromise on mileage but like all walks of life, some people are just resistant to any sort of common sense or taking on advice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    Seems kinda logical if you are running a 10 mile race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭6run28


    I switched to kms for marathon training this year. All previous done in miles and found the kms better all round. Ill be sticking with the kms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    It makes no difference. I’ve found it useful to be comfortable with both systems, not for training purposes but for being able to understand runners of both persuasions. To misquote Father Ted, it’s an ecumenical matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,714 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    For people who like to distract themselves whilst running a combination of both measuring systems is essential....I spend my runs unnecessarily mentally calculating various different arbitrary paces and targets in both systems :-)



  • Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭kittyclaws


    Can someone recommend a good ultramarathon in Ireland for beginners? Approx 50k or as close as possible! I’ve done a couple of marathons and want to go a bit further. I think I’d be around 5 hours+ for 50k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    The only one I’ve done is Donadea and it’s probably the best place to start. 2022 is sold out but worth planning for 2023. It’s a pretty friendly event. There’s supposed to be a five hour cutoff but it doesn’t seem to be applied too rigorously, and there are always plenty of runners around that time and beyond. Lapped course makes nutrition, gels, drinks etc. easy to organise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭Enduro


    There's no 50km in Ireland I wouldn't recommend for someone stepping up from marathons. The bigger question for you is whether you want to move to trails as well (and I can only recommend that you give trail/mountain running a go ASAP.... most people regret not starting sooner once they try their first one). Most 50kms in Ireland are trail races. IMRA organise a few, including Ireland's oldest ultra, the Maurice Mullins Ultra. If you do give trail running a go even sticking to the same distance will be a bigger effort than the flat/road equivalent. THe Donadea 50km is another obvious one to try, but I think that



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭ariana`


    I'm glad it's not just me. I wouldn't get through marathon training without spending oodles of time on long runs playing with the numbers in my head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Unknownability


    Has anyone got recommendations for a good / interesting / different half marathon training plan?

    I'm in no man's land at the moment having just finished (Can I still say that after 2 weeks?) the Hanson full marathon plan and really enjoyed it and I've now signed up for the Half in Paris early March.


    Things I'm looking for in a plan are quite simple 5/6 days running and one that supports a target time of 1'25 ish.


    Thanks



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Have you ever tried a plan from this book?

    Faster Road Racing: 5K to Half Marathon https://g.co/kgs/g9FVb5

    His plans can be quite tough but they are achievable if you are motivated I find them will laid out and easy to follow in comparison to the ones in Daniel's book.



  • Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭kittyclaws


    Thanks Murph_D & Enduro :) The only thing that puts me off trail running is my speed - I always assumed IMRA was aimed at faster runners but maybe it is something I should look more into, I live close to the hellfire club and often run there so the location definitely suits, thank you for the recommendation :)

    The only ultra I can find that might suit is the Longford ultra in April (tho 10 x 5.2km loops might break me!!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    If you enjoyed the Hanson marathon method, why not try the Hanson Half Marathon method? Seperate book, very similar approach - Speed/Strength sessions on the Tues, HM paced runs on the Thurs. Six days running with LR on the Sun. I've used it and it is certainly capable of delivering if you are in shape for that kind of target.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    The Portumna Forest marathon also includes a 50k and a 100k, all done on a lovely, flat 5k loop. It's very well organised.

    The Langford Canal course is a bit mind-numbing, running down one side of the canal and back to other way did get a bit old after a few hours, but the one time I did it it was very well organised as well, and I would not rule it out.

    There's a 50k in Tralee as well. And the Kerry Way Ultra Lite at 58k is a decent option as well if you like trails.

    All of the above are well worth it, Donadea would usually be the number one choice but is sold out for next year (and if you are slower than 5 hours make sure you can handle being on the receiving end of a sarcastic comment)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭Euro Fred


    What constitutes a slow run?

    I think I should be doing them but not sure how slow I should I go.

    Is it more heart rate than speed, keeping it in zone 4 going by Garmin Connect type of thing?

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭Enduro



    IMRA is extremely inclusive, with a very wide range of runners, in speed and ability terms, taking part in nearly every race. Give it a go ASAP! As I say, your only regret is likely to be that you didn't start sooner.

    Also, bear in mind that any hilly race is going to feel like a step up in effort (and will take more time) than an equivalent distance on the flat. So if you want to step up in effort as opposed to purely distance, you could also look out for hillier events of around marathon distance, whether road (like the lap the gap marathon) or trails (loads of races of around marathon distance. Again, IMRA organise a few).



  • Registered Users Posts: 491 ✭✭Butterbeans


    Easy run would be better term I think.

    If you're running a few times a week, you certainly should be running some of them easy.

    Run at a pace that feels easy for you. If you're going by your Zones it'd be Zone 1, maybe some of it in Zone 2 but easy is the key word.



  • Registered Users Posts: 585 ✭✭✭FinnC


    No point running by HR if you don’t have your zones set correctly or know your max HR,oh and no 220 minus your age is not how you get your Max HR.

    Just run to a pace where you can still hold a conversation easily and that’s probably around the correct pace for a slow run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    An easy run is a run at an effort where you can have a conversation, talking full sentences without gasping for air. If you feel you cannot talk freely, it's not an easy run.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭deisedude


    Is there any way to contact Cork Athletics County board and get a response?

    I've sent multiple emails, a Facebook message and a letter regarding a simple query about a transfer and have received no response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Sorbet


    Hi - looking for advice please. Ran 2019 DCM using the Boards plan but have fallen out of the habit of running and haven’t run consistently this year. Have a ‘22 DCM entry so getting geared up to get back into it. Very confident I can commit to the marathon training block as have done it before and not looking for a fast time or anything. My question now really is what should I be doing between now and June training block to get back into it so I’m prepped to go? Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭ariana`


    You could follow a plan for a Half marathon or 10k to get a bit of consistency going before launching into the marathon training. If you did a 12-14 week plan, race around late March/April followed by a bit of recovery then you'd nearly be ready to start marathon training for DCM, or maybe a few weeks of a base plan to bridge the gap. There are plenty of plans on the internet, pick one that isn't too demanding as it sounds like it's more about something to motivate you to get going again. Signing up for a race will help with motivation too, it's a long time until June and even longer until next October so I don't expect DCM is going to motivate you just yet. Best of luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Not running related but Boards related, can you delete posts anymore with the new layout?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't think so although you could edit your post for up to 24 hours and just leave a single character such as a "."

    Not quite the same as deleting but I suppose it will have to do for now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    Mods can (one of the few things I managed to work out how in the new layout). If you really want to delete a post, ask a mod.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    I wonder why they removed the ability for users to delete their own posts? Seems odd that features have been removed!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Seems mad to me that in this day and age you can't simply delete a post on a public forum. Not TFB's fault obviously.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Obviously!! definitely didn't mean to infer it was, hence 'they' 😊. Sounds like the mods are trying to figure things out along with the rest of us, which is also a bit mad!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Definintely didnt mean you were implying that - was more making sure my criticism wasnt directed at TBF.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    No worries, I did not even consider that this could be regarded as a dig.

    The new layout is a complete disaster. The single worst upgrade I've witnessed in 25 years of working in IT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    The new forum is horrendous and unfortunately will more than likely be the death of the place!


    TbL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭ahnowbrowncow


    So you guys are saying that TFB and the mods are preventing us from deleting our posts? That's terrible form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    You’re probably joking but just in case, no, that’s not what anyone said.

    By the way you can delete all the text in a post, just not the post itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Only within 24hrs though right? After that it's necessary to contact a mod.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Yes, 24 hours should be enough to correct any drunkposting. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Sorbet


    Thanks a million Ariana - signed up for an end of March half and have a plan to follow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Great, best of luck with that. It will really help come time to train for DCM having a good base and a good habit of running regularly again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    I've recently ran a 10k for the first time, slow pace just above 1 hour, could get it below an hour probably. Started thinking that maybe I could attempt a half marathon before the summer, am I mad, has anyone done this and is it a huge step up?

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    I went from my first 10k in 55 minutes to sub-2 hour HM from July - September 2014. Regularly running more and slowly increasing your distances will get you there. Usual new runner advice applies - most of your runs should feel very easy, try and find a local group to run with, keep a close eye on niggles and potential injuries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Unknownability


    Quick question on using final surge. I have the plan I am using on there is it possible to get that to include the pace I should be running automatically?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Jim Gazebo


    EDIT - running nutrition thread more suitable



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Took a bit of a break from running for the previous 3 months although I have been doing a bit of cycling although I understand that they are not the same due to cycling being basically zero impact on joints.

    Good news is I'm off to the south of Spain for the next 2 weeks so thought I'd use it as an opportunity to get back into running.

    What's the best way to get back into it, I really don't want to do couch to 5k?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭DeepBlue



    What's the best way to get back into it, I really don't want to do couch to 5k?

    You could try the base phase from the boards graduates plan

    It's mostly easy or very easy running so should be minimal risk in terms of injuries and in six weeks you should be in good shape for tackling a plan for whatever distance takes your interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭ClashCityRocker


    Does anyone have any particular hints or tips for running around hairpin bends/180 degree turns etc

    At Raheny on Sunday it felt like i came to a standstill going around that cone in St Anne's park, and a couple of people came past me so i figure they must have been doing it right. I was very tight to the cone so better to approach these turns at a wide angle?



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    I always try to go as wide as possible. Can keep more of your speed up, even if it is the further distance, and less chance of someone cutting in on you and tripping you up. Of course you do have to make sure that you are not then the person cutting in on people and tripping them up. I've been pushed into trees on cross country before with people being stupid about it, so just avoid the inside line on any corner wherever possible.

    On big road races I'll always aim for the outside of any early corners, however tight they are, and you'll always get an easier run with an empty road. Tricky bit is then switching sides if needed before the next opposite bend, but far easier to get through the crowds along the straight than deal with getting squashed into the wall and kerbs on the inside line.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    I honestly don't think there is a perfect answer to this. I'd be interested to hear others thoughts too.. I had to take that 180 very wide myself as my knee doesn't like sharp clockwise turns like that. I find it more natural to hug an anti clockwise turn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,084 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    Ease off the pace a little going into the turn, speed up once you hit the apex.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    With an ACL reconstruction in my past, that hairpin in Raheny has always terrified me 😰 The fear of tweaking something is always in the back of my mind and I've always done my best Stena Seacat impression when trying to navigate it. This doesn't help of course, but don't worry, you're not alone 😛



  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭babacool


    I agree with that. You don’t loose that much time by slowing a bit down. I would even add slow down and take a wider angle just so you have a quicker exit and since most runners will try to go as close to the bend as possible (since they don’t want to add extra meters) it’s usually also more crowded. That then means you can’t really accelerate as stuck behind others. Less risk of that if you go wide.


    so:

    1. slow down and be ok with dropping 1-2sec max. You will get it back by accelerating faster
    2. go wide to avoid being stuck behind someone
    3. make sure your shoes are tight! If they aren’t you may twist something


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