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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭ Trimm Trabb

    Cost isn’t my major issue here - just don’t think I’d be get the same feeling on satisfaction at this point if I got Vaporflys. I’m not against them at some point in the future but I feel like it would be a short cut at this point as I’ve been gradually moving towards the time I want anyway.

    Interesting point Ceepo re pronation as I was just thinking the other day I’ve been buying these shoes for years based on what some lad in Lifestyle told me 7/8 years ago. I’ve had calf niggles over the last year but don’t know if that is down to training overload or the wrong shoes. Although I need a quick 10k barefoot on the beach one day and was very sore for days after so perhaps that tells me I do rely on support from shoes.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭ Swashbuckler

    Personally I'd recommend NB Fuelcell TC (even the Fuelcell Rebel v2 are a decent all rounder and certainly faster than Gel Kayano) . Also recommend Saucony Endorphin Speed. Both the TC and Endorphin Speeds are widely popular...both have plates though. There are other non plated shoes you could go for but why bother!? If cost isn't an issue then the TC or endorphins are well worth it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭ Ceepo

    It's important to remember that the cause of injury's can be multifactorial. But there has never been a shoe that prevents injury.

    While I'm an advocate for some barefoot running, doing 10k of the bat wouldn't be recommended ;), especially coming from such a high heal to toe drop trainer

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,594 ✭✭✭ Fann Linn

    Can anyone recommend a good app for beginners. I've downloaded the coach to 5 k and have completed that. Now I just want to carry on casually and log and track my runs in an attempt to just compete with myself and try and better my times. Ta.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭ Slow_Runner

    Strava would be the most popular, doesn't give plans but a way to log runs. Social aspect too as your followers can see ur runs, give kudos and post comments. Can be good motivation for some.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭ Trimm Trabb

    Thinking about it more and might be tempted to get the carbon plated shoes for racing - can you suggest some the value options?

  • Registered Users Posts: 103 ✭✭ Aurelian

    Is it preferable to pace using Miles rather than Kilometres even when working on a kilometer event? I presume miles give you a slightly more even pace as it is over a longer distance.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭ Swashbuckler

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭ Slideways

    I can’t see the logic about running in miles. Embrace the metric system people!

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,301 Mod ✭✭✭✭ TFBubendorfer

    Use the same metric you are using in training, otherwise you will just confuse yourself.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭ Swashbuckler

    debatable..theres a lot to be said for being proficient in both...Generally I work in miles but I ain't running 7 x 0.62miles in training. I'm running 7 x 1k. Id work miles in easy and long runs. Id race a 5k and 10k in kms. Mix and match.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭ Enduro

    You do realise that pace = speed. Whether a given speed is expressed in kilometre per hour, miler per hour, minutes per kilometre, minutes per mile, or seconds for X hundred meters, matters not one jot. It is still the same given speed.

    Next time someone takes you for a ride in a car have a look at how the speedometer changes. If it is in KmH you don't have to wait for each kilometre to pass to see the change in speed (pace). Similarly, if it is measured in MpH. Pace doesn't have to be measured over the distance of the units being used to express it. Sprinters would never know their speed in standard units if that was necessary. So the concept of "giving a slightly more even pace as it is over a longer distance" doesn't make sense in reality.

    Running longer distances does not infer more even pacing. Using bigger units to express pace does not lead to more even pacing.

  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭ Adversarial

    Recently got Jack Daniels book and think I understand his training philosophy and want to start with one of his plans tomorrow.

    However maybe I'm just a bit dense but how do I program something like marathon pace into my Garmin for example for easy runs he gives a pace range to follow for example easy running 7:00 to 7:51

    But for the other intensities there is no range given witch you need in order to program it into a Garmin watch.

    Using the above example I presume my marathon pace would range from 6:42 down to 6:03 with the aim of keeping it around the 6:42 mark?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭ Slideways

    You can just create a workout in Garmin connect and under the intensity select pace with the target being in or around your range. You can even have it beep at you if you go outside the range.

    Allow for a minimum of 20 secs variance or it will drive you bonkers buzzing at you

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭ Murph_D

    Also, not being smart here, but have another read of the book - threshold pace (the 6:03 you mentioned) is not within the range of a typical marathon pace run. It’s a completely different workout - much more difficult than marathon pace. Good luck with it all!

  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭ joe35

    I wouldn't fully agree with this. Why do people always think they need to train harder to get better. Sometimes they need to train smarter.

    I constantly see/hear about people saying nothing beats getting the miles in, or pushing yourself harder in speed sessions.

    Yet these same people are running with very poor form, weak core, never think about doing drills or any other type of training other than go out and run.

    Even within clubs the mentality is often to push yourself harder, increase mileage.

    I see this all the time, a person slips off a small bit in there times and straight away it's, I'm not being pushed hard enough, I need to train with a faster group.

    Why not introduce some drills into your warm up. Something that might improve your economics of running.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭ ILikeBoats

    Could you give an example of some drills please?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭ joe35

    Thanks jebuz, a fairly detailed reply and I tip my hat to your superior knowledge.

    I just constantly see people running poorly saying they need to up their mileage. When they clearly need to cut back as they are not running correctly as is.

    I'd agree a lot us to do with caution when increasing mileage.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭ jebuz

    Superior knowledge? doubtful, just my opinion formed over the years and through my own observations and failings. I also see the same poor running styles and an unwillingness to compromise on mileage but like all walks of life, some people are just resistant to any sort of common sense or taking on advice.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭ Glencarraig

    Seems kinda logical if you are running a 10 mile race.

  • Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭ 6run28

    I switched to kms for marathon training this year. All previous done in miles and found the kms better all round. Ill be sticking with the kms.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭ Murph_D

    It makes no difference. I’ve found it useful to be comfortable with both systems, not for training purposes but for being able to understand runners of both persuasions. To misquote Father Ted, it’s an ecumenical matter.

  • Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭ kittyclaws

    Can someone recommend a good ultramarathon in Ireland for beginners? Approx 50k or as close as possible! I’ve done a couple of marathons and want to go a bit further. I think I’d be around 5 hours+ for 50k.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭ Murph_D

    The only one I’ve done is Donadea and it’s probably the best place to start. 2022 is sold out but worth planning for 2023. It’s a pretty friendly event. There’s supposed to be a five hour cutoff but it doesn’t seem to be applied too rigorously, and there are always plenty of runners around that time and beyond. Lapped course makes nutrition, gels, drinks etc. easy to organise.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭ Enduro

    There's no 50km in Ireland I wouldn't recommend for someone stepping up from marathons. The bigger question for you is whether you want to move to trails as well (and I can only recommend that you give trail/mountain running a go ASAP.... most people regret not starting sooner once they try their first one). Most 50kms in Ireland are trail races. IMRA organise a few, including Ireland's oldest ultra, the Maurice Mullins Ultra. If you do give trail running a go even sticking to the same distance will be a bigger effort than the flat/road equivalent. THe Donadea 50km is another obvious one to try, but I think that

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,836 ✭✭✭ ariana`

    I'm glad it's not just me. I wouldn't get through marathon training without spending oodles of time on long runs playing with the numbers in my head.