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The Daily Mail - Yay or Nay?

  • 28-01-2022 6:14pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭jetsonx



    The Daily Mail (love or loathe it) is often the first newspaper to give the nitty gritty details a major news story.

    A strange virus?

    A massive bombing?

    A freak weather event?

    A massive corruption scandal?

    The Daily Mail will normally have the scoop while all other news sources are skirting around the edges.

    But what do you think of the Daily Mail?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,190 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Garbage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    Well, you did ask......


    The Man From The Daily Mail

    Now Ireland's a very funny place, sir

    It's a strange and a troubled land

    And the Irish are a very funny race, sir

    Every girl's in the Cumann na mBan

    Every doggie wears a tri-coloured ribbon

    Tied firmly to its tail

    And it wouldn't be surprising 

    If there'd be another rising

    Said the man from the Daily Mail 


    Every bird upon my word

    Is singing treble - I'm a rebel

    Every hen it's said is laying hand grenades

    Over there sir, I declare Sir

    And every cock in the farmyard stock

    Crows in triumph for the Gael

    And it wouldn't be surprising

    If there'd be another rising

    Said the man from the Daily Mail 


    Now the other day I travelled down to Clare, sir

    I spied in an old boreen

    A bunch of busy gooses there, sir

    Dressed in orange, white and green

    They marched to the German goose step

    As they whistled Grann na bheal

    and I'm shakin' in me shoes

    As I'm sending out the news

    Said the man from the Daily Mail 


    Every bird upon my word

    Is singing treble - I'm a rebel

    Every hen it's said is laying hand grenades

    Over there sir, I declare Sir

    And every cock in the farmyard

    Stock crows in triumph for the Gael

    And it wouldn't be surprising

    If there'd be another rising

    Said the man from the Daily Mail 


    Now the whole place is seething with sedition

    It's Sinn Fein through and through

    All the peelers they are joining local units

    And the password's Sinn Fein too

    Every doggie wears a tri-coloured ribbon

    Tied firmly to its tail

    And it wouldn't be surprising

    If there'd be another rising

    Said the man from the Daily Mail 


    Every bird upon my word

    Is singing treble - I'm a rebel

    Every hen it's said is laying hand grenades

    Over there sir, I declare Sir

    And every cock in the farmyard stock

    Crows in triumph for the Gael

    And it wouldn't be surprising

    If there'd be another rising

    Said the man from the Daily Mail



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don’t read it, per se, but often times I come across their articles when researching about a story, articles that contain information not found elsewhere.

    I wonder does this speak to the self-censorship style of media we are getting these days or do the daily mail just have better investigators.

    They come across as sensational but who isn’t these days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    It's a paper with an anti Irish bias which launcher an Irish version of it's paper!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    They aren't afraid of detail as you say OP but they are also likely to bend the truth to sensationalize a story. They push particular agendas like Brexit and are very anti EU. Also the comment section is a disgrace. I still visit about once a day to see what they are covering.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Garbage can be recycled, used as fertilizer, waste to energy. Sweden imports garbage to keep it's incinerators working.

    Daily Mail isn't as much of a benefit to humanity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    There was an RTE documentary about media years ago and one of things I remember was an interviewee saying the Mail Group are owned by the same people who own the other big media conglomerates.

    He was strongly implying that the Irish Daily Mail is just a sop to dissatisfied people from the same establishment which promotes the things that these Mail readers hate.

    The Daily Mail in particular breaks stories which other newspapers won't touch - usually un-PC stories - which makes it both interesting and the target of exaggerated denunciations ('its the worst garbage in the world!' etc.)

    Overall I don't trust it but then I don't really trust other media either.

    It's Femail section of celeb photos and it's terrible contradictory and confusing relationship 'advice' aimed at women is perhaps the worst thing about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    For those who don't know, newspapers published by the Mail Group all have editorial independence so the Daily Mail, the Mail on Sunday and the Irish Daily Mail can, and sometimes do, take different editorial stances on the same issues. Though they are broadly in alignment most of the time since they are all the same 'brand'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    To me it's a bit of a rag but it is very good for sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I like it for a perusal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    It’s always been a quite anti Irish publication.

    it’s a little more diplomatic in the language it uses but still…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭bb12


    it's totally biased but it does report on a lot of stories that are nowhere to be found anywhere else so i check it out every day to see what;s going on in the world...i often learn more details about irish stories from it than from any of the irish media...but yes you always have to be conscious of its bias



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    A bit low brow. I prefer the Telegraph. When was the last time anyone read an 'anti Irish' article in the Mail. I don't think they're preoccupied with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,440 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    They played a major role in delivering Brexit with a couple of decades of anti immigrant headlines to stir up the outraged middle classes, while the owners lived in Monaco for tax purposes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Arthur Daley


    In touch with public opinion so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    They are a spiteful, sexist, racist pile of clickbait.

    But yea, lots of people "only read it for the sports".



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It reports on breaking stories early particularly if contoversial. The mail will be publishing names and photos of terrorist attackers while the other papers are reporting "a man" and "mental health difficulties"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭Glock17


    It's the most widely bought newspaper in the UK...

    I have an electronic subscription to it. I dont read it, but I love to support independent journalism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,440 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Creating public opinion would be more accurate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,810 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    My Dad gets it for the sudoku. As other have said the sport's coverage is very good, especially the monday football pullout, but I generally find a few other things to read in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,692 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    A publication dedicated to manipulating the feeble-minded and ignorant.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the state of british journalism is weird. ireland is *far* from perfect; but the notion of a newspaper explicitly taking sides in the way many newspapers in england do, when it comes to elections (which would automatically disqualify them as being considered in any way impartial) is something we're not really used to here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    The Daily Mail does plenty of good journalism and breaks many important scandals like the Beacon hospital vaccination scandal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    It is the same here. Check out the Irish Times View https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/irish-times-view-on-election-2020-transformative-and-divisive-1.4167419?

    They take a view on elections, they strongly back left politicians. In elections they often don't take a strong view because aside from wanting social democracy, they are not sure if they want SF or a left wing of FG /FF/Labour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    When she was editor, Geraldine Kennedy put out an editorial saying that the Irish Times is an "activist" liberal newspaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Dog whistling rag

    Nay 👎



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭65535


    Why anyone would want to buy a British 'newspaper' is baffling



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭Glock17


    Tbh, the reason people dont like the Daily Mail is because they report stories that no one else dares to report.

    The Daily Mail is a beacon of free speech and investigative journalism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    I’ve never paid for it, I go to their online free website. I didn’t even realise the OP might be about the Irish version. Mind you I haven’t bought any newspaper or subscribed to one for many many years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Billy Mays




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭jetsonx



    While your comment might have be said in jest, what do people think of this statement:

    If the Daily Mail publishes stories that one else reports - which is the essence of free speech. Then, they give more to journalism than the Irish Times or the Guardian or the New York Times?



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭Glock17


    How is it "dog whistling"?

    The DM hardly hide their editorial position on things like asylum seekers etc?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    I'm not referring to it's stance on asylum seekers

    2 Man City footballers. One black. One white. Can you spot the difference in the tone of the headline?

    You probably can't tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Lowest common denominator. Creates stories that people want rather than trying to discover new insight by rigorous critical thinking. Adds no value, just intensifies bigotry and tells people what they want to hear. So of course it's popular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭jetsonx



    Do any newspapers encourage "rigorous critical thinking" today. If so, which ones and why?



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭Glock17


    Two different journalists report a similar story in different ways.

    That really is shocking, I can definitely see why so many people hate the Daily Mail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Well just today I read an interesting article about a journalist who was given access to the archives of the old Ennis mental asylum. I learned a lot from the article about how families refused to take patients back even if they were well, how some of them lived and their conditions. Also it described the preoccupation with the Catholic church as recorded in patient testimony. Some great anecdotes, for example a young girl who was to be married off to a 58 year old who was admitted but curiously the marriage was cancelled and she seemed to simultaneously recuperate.

    It was very insightful about the Irish culture that we came from and a little peek at the lives that were lived by thousands behind the high walls of theses institutions that most of us put out of mind.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/an-open-secret-ireland-s-lunatic-asylums-and-mental-hospitals-1.4786226



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    You think these journalists write their own headlines?

    Edit

    Just realised who I'm conversing with

    Laters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭jetsonx


    Thanks for that.

    One ironic thing I find about newspapers today is that they seem more comfortable talking about the past and the present.

    There are exceptions. Fintan O'Toole continues to pen thought provoking stuff. Other than, with a lot of news sources there is neither a) investigative reporting or b) insightful analysis and commentary on national or world events.

    At least with the DM, it redeems itself with the investigative reporting side.



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭Glock17



    Yeah, that makes it even worse, two different sub editors writing two different headlines on a similar story.

    Absolutely shocking!



  • Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭animalinside


    Yay for the quality of presentation and the outstanding coverage and detail, nothing else is anywhere close.

    Yay also for the accuracy of reporting - unlike the red tops (Sun, Star, etc.) Daily Mail doesn't run fake or dodgy stories, contrary to what many uninitiated think it very rarely gets things factually wrong and compares well with broadsheets for that.

    Nay for the huge spin they put on some stories (every newspaper can be guilty of this though), the ludicrous over-the-top hysteria on certain things (eg. cancer). The sexual and celebrity content pushed in your face all the time.

    Overall I'm not ashamed to say that it's my favourite news source. Who is seriously going to turn down all those photographs, infographics etc. for some paid The Irish Times text along with a picture.



  • Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭animalinside


    Top of the website right now lol:




  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Munstergirl854


    I love it (Mail online)...spend an unhealthy amount of time in the comment section.

    Can't bear to view it on a desktop but I have the app on my phone,you can jump from UK news to showbiz to US news to world news at the click of a button.I might read 2 or 3 stories from each category.

    They're also known to write strange articles about celebs "hinting" at a story they're not allowed to print ie stories of Simon Cowell looking like ****(some people have speculated he has a terminal Illness)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    The white player is Phil Foden who was already regularly involved with the first team, made his debut a year earlier than the article and had also won player of the tournament at the underage world cup. He was very highly regarded well before this article was written and known for his work ethic as well as his talent.

    The black player - I still have no idea who he is four years later.

    So I would say the newspaper got those headlines spot on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    They report on a lot of stuff not in other papers. Largely because it's bullshit.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    A while back the "Irish" Daily Mail was campaigning for the HPV vaccine here, while at the same time the Daily Mail was campaigning against it in England.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,304 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    It's a homophobic, xenophobic rag, so yeah...not for me.



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