The Daily Mail - Yay or Nay?

jetsonx

The Daily Mail (love or loathe it) is often the first newspaper to give the nitty gritty details a major news story.

A strange virus?

A massive bombing?

A freak weather event?

A massive corruption scandal?

The Daily Mail will normally have the scoop while all other news sources are skirting around the edges.

But what do you think of the Daily Mail?

Pherekydes

Garbage.

Snickers Man

Well, you did ask......

The Man From The Daily Mail

Now Ireland's a very funny place, sir

It's a strange and a troubled land

And the Irish are a very funny race, sir

Every girl's in the Cumann na mBan

Every doggie wears a tri-coloured ribbon

Tied firmly to its tail

And it wouldn't be surprising 

If there'd be another rising

Said the man from the Daily Mail 

Every bird upon my word

Is singing treble - I'm a rebel

Every hen it's said is laying hand grenades

Over there sir, I declare Sir

And every cock in the farmyard stock

Crows in triumph for the Gael

And it wouldn't be surprising

If there'd be another rising

Said the man from the Daily Mail 

Now the other day I travelled down to Clare, sir

I spied in an old boreen

A bunch of busy gooses there, sir

Dressed in orange, white and green

They marched to the German goose step

As they whistled Grann na bheal

and I'm shakin' in me shoes

As I'm sending out the news

Said the man from the Daily Mail 

Every bird upon my word

Is singing treble - I'm a rebel

Every hen it's said is laying hand grenades

Over there sir, I declare Sir

And every cock in the farmyard

Stock crows in triumph for the Gael

And it wouldn't be surprising

If there'd be another rising

Said the man from the Daily Mail 

Now the whole place is seething with sedition

It's Sinn Fein through and through

All the peelers they are joining local units

And the password's Sinn Fein too

Every doggie wears a tri-coloured ribbon

Tied firmly to its tail

And it wouldn't be surprising

If there'd be another rising

Said the man from the Daily Mail 

Every bird upon my word

Is singing treble - I'm a rebel

Every hen it's said is laying hand grenades

Over there sir, I declare Sir

And every cock in the farmyard stock

Crows in triumph for the Gael

And it wouldn't be surprising

If there'd be another rising

Said the man from the Daily Mail

I don’t read it, per se, but often times I come across their articles when researching about a story, articles that contain information not found elsewhere.

I wonder does this speak to the self-censorship style of media we are getting these days or do the daily mail just have better investigators.

They come across as sensational but who isn’t these days.

goldenmick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118546820#Comment_118546820

Del2005

It's a paper with an anti Irish bias which launcher an Irish version of it's paper!

AyeGer

They aren't afraid of detail as you say OP but they are also likely to bend the truth to sensationalize a story. They push particular agendas like Brexit and are very anti EU. Also the comment section is a disgrace. I still visit about once a day to see what they are covering.

Capt'n Midnight

Parody :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI

Parody :

https://www.anorak.co.uk/288298/tabloids/the-daily-mails-list-of-things-that-give-you-cancer-from-a-to-z.html

Not Parody :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3293707/Revealed-116-things-cause-CANCER-according-world-health-experts.html

Daily Mail is aimed at making women feel insecure. Only good for linking pictures.

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118546820#Comment_118546820

Garbage can be recycled, used as fertilizer, waste to energy. Sweden imports garbage to keep it's incinerators working.

Daily Mail isn't as much of a benefit to humanity.

growleaves

There was an RTE documentary about media years ago and one of things I remember was an interviewee saying the Mail Group are owned by the same people who own the other big media conglomerates.

He was strongly implying that the Irish Daily Mail is just a sop to dissatisfied people from the same establishment which promotes the things that these Mail readers hate.

The Daily Mail in particular breaks stories which other newspapers won't touch - usually un-PC stories - which makes it both interesting and the target of exaggerated denunciations ('its the worst garbage in the world!' etc.)

Overall I don't trust it but then I don't really trust other media either.

It's Femail section of celeb photos and it's terrible contradictory and confusing relationship 'advice' aimed at women is perhaps the worst thing about it.

growleaves

For those who don't know, newspapers published by the Mail Group all have editorial independence so the Daily Mail, the Mail on Sunday and the Irish Daily Mail can, and sometimes do, take different editorial stances on the same issues. Though they are broadly in alignment most of the time since they are all the same 'brand'.

Pauliedragon

To me it's a bit of a rag but it is very good for sport.

kirk.

I like it for a perusal

Strumms

It’s always been a quite anti Irish publication.

it’s a little more diplomatic in the language it uses but still…

bb12

it's totally biased but it does report on a lot of stories that are nowhere to be found anywhere else so i check it out every day to see what;s going on in the world...i often learn more details about irish stories from it than from any of the irish media...but yes you always have to be conscious of its bias

Adscorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058230255/the-daily-mail-yay-or-nay

Arthur Daley

A bit low brow. I prefer the Telegraph. When was the last time anyone read an 'anti Irish' article in the Mail. I don't think they're preoccupied with it.

AndrewJRenko

They played a major role in delivering Brexit with a couple of decades of anti immigrant headlines to stir up the outraged middle classes, while the owners lived in Monaco for tax purposes.

Arthur Daley

In touch with public opinion so.

touts

They are a spiteful, sexist, racist pile of clickbait.

But yea, lots of people "only read it for the sports".

It reports on breaking stories early particularly if contoversial. The mail will be publishing names and photos of terrorist attackers while the other papers are reporting "a man" and "mental health difficulties"

Glock17

It's the most widely bought newspaper in the UK...

I have an electronic subscription to it. I dont read it, but I love to support independent journalism.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118548994#Comment_118548994

Creating public opinion would be more accurate

Loafing Oaf

My Dad gets it for the sudoku. As other have said the sport's coverage is very good, especially the monday football pullout, but I generally find a few other things to read in it.

osarusan

A publication dedicated to manipulating the feeble-minded and ignorant.

magicbastarder

the state of british journalism is weird. ireland is *far* from perfect; but the notion of a newspaper explicitly taking sides in the way many newspapers in england do, when it comes to elections (which would automatically disqualify them as being considered in any way impartial) is something we're not really used to here.

Yellow_Fern

The Daily Mail does plenty of good journalism and breaks many important scandals like the Beacon hospital vaccination scandal

Yellow_Fern

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118549901#Comment_118549901

It is the same here. Check out the Irish Times View https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/irish-times-view-on-election-2020-transformative-and-divisive-1.4167419?

They take a view on elections, they strongly back left politicians. In elections they often don't take a strong view because aside from wanting social democracy, they are not sure if they want SF or a left wing of FG /FF/Labour.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118549968#Comment_118549968

When she was editor, Geraldine Kennedy put out an editorial saying that the Irish Times is an "activist" liberal newspaper.

Billy Mays

Dog whistling rag

Nay 👎

65535

Why anyone would want to buy a British 'newspaper' is baffling

Glock17

Tbh, the reason people dont like the Daily Mail is because they report stories that no one else dares to report.

The Daily Mail is a beacon of free speech and investigative journalism.

AyeGer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550033#Comment_118550033

I’ve never paid for it, I go to their online free website. I didn’t even realise the OP might be about the Irish version. Mind you I haven’t bought any newspaper or subscribed to one for many many years.

Billy Mays

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550036#Comment_118550036

Or because it's a dog whistling rag 👍🏻

jetsonx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550036#Comment_118550036

While your comment might have be said in jest, what do people think of this statement:

If the Daily Mail publishes stories that one else reports - which is the essence of free speech. Then, they give more to journalism than the Irish Times or the Guardian or the New York Times?

Glock17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550070#Comment_118550070

How is it "dog whistling"?

The DM hardly hide their editorial position on things like asylum seekers etc?

Billy Mays

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550093#Comment_118550093

I'm not referring to it's stance on asylum seekers

2 Man City footballers. One black. One white. Can you spot the difference in the tone of the headline?

You probably can't tbh

joseywhales

Lowest common denominator. Creates stories that people want rather than trying to discover new insight by rigorous critical thinking. Adds no value, just intensifies bigotry and tells people what they want to hear. So of course it's popular.

jetsonx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550131#Comment_118550131

Do any newspapers encourage "rigorous critical thinking" today. If so, which ones and why?

Glock17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550116#Comment_118550116

Two different journalists report a similar story in different ways.

That really is shocking, I can definitely see why so many people hate the Daily Mail.

joseywhales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550149#Comment_118550149

Well just today I read an interesting article about a journalist who was given access to the archives of the old Ennis mental asylum. I learned a lot from the article about how families refused to take patients back even if they were well, how some of them lived and their conditions. Also it described the preoccupation with the Catholic church as recorded in patient testimony. Some great anecdotes, for example a young girl who was to be married off to a 58 year old who was admitted but curiously the marriage was cancelled and she seemed to simultaneously recuperate.

It was very insightful about the Irish culture that we came from and a little peek at the lives that were lived by thousands behind the high walls of theses institutions that most of us put out of mind.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/an-open-secret-ireland-s-lunatic-asylums-and-mental-hospitals-1.4786226

Billy Mays

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550163#Comment_118550163

You think these journalists write their own headlines?

Edit

Just realised who I'm conversing with

Laters

jetsonx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550189#Comment_118550189

Thanks for that.

One ironic thing I find about newspapers today is that they seem more comfortable talking about the past and the present.

There are exceptions. Fintan O'Toole continues to pen thought provoking stuff. Other than, with a lot of news sources there is neither a) investigative reporting or b) insightful analysis and commentary on national or world events.

At least with the DM, it redeems itself with the investigative reporting side.

Glock17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550204#Comment_118550204

Yeah, that makes it even worse, two different sub editors writing two different headlines on a similar story.

Absolutely shocking!

animalinside

Yay for the quality of presentation and the outstanding coverage and detail, nothing else is anywhere close.

Yay also for the accuracy of reporting - unlike the red tops (Sun, Star, etc.) Daily Mail doesn't run fake or dodgy stories, contrary to what many uninitiated think it very rarely gets things factually wrong and compares well with broadsheets for that.

Nay for the huge spin they put on some stories (every newspaper can be guilty of this though), the ludicrous over-the-top hysteria on certain things (eg. cancer). The sexual and celebrity content pushed in your face all the time.

Overall I'm not ashamed to say that it's my favourite news source. Who is seriously going to turn down all those photographs, infographics etc. for some paid The Irish Times text along with a picture.

animalinside

Top of the website right now lol:

Munstergirl854

I love it (Mail online)...spend an unhealthy amount of time in the comment section.

Can't bear to view it on a desktop but I have the app on my phone,you can jump from UK news to showbiz to US news to world news at the click of a button.I might read 2 or 3 stories from each category.

They're also known to write strange articles about celebs "hinting" at a story they're not allowed to print ie stories of Simon Cowell looking like ****(some people have speculated he has a terminal Illness)

kowloonkev

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550116#Comment_118550116

The white player is Phil Foden who was already regularly involved with the first team, made his debut a year earlier than the article and had also won player of the tournament at the underage world cup. He was very highly regarded well before this article was written and known for his work ethic as well as his talent.

The black player - I still have no idea who he is four years later.

So I would say the newspaper got those headlines spot on.

kowloon

They report on a lot of stuff not in other papers. Largely because it's bullshit.

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550036#Comment_118550036

A while back the "Irish" Daily Mail was campaigning for the HPV vaccine here, while at the same time the Daily Mail was campaigning against it in England.

gmisk

It's a homophobic, xenophobic rag, so yeah...not for me.