Are you getting your child 5-11 vaccinated? Why/why not?

Hego Damask · 27-01-2022 11:08pm

No, they won't be getting it as they don't need it.

PhoenixParker · 28-01-2022 9:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118542690#Comment_118542690

Swords

DSN · 28-01-2022 11:49am

My 5yr old has it now aside from one evening (not even a full day!) of slight temp & sore head (she said) & a bit tired she's as right as rain. In normal times she wouldn't even have had a day off school. I only tested her because it's going through the class.

To make things worse am supposed to leave her older siblings off too even tough they vaccinated & negative?

Anyway I didn't get her vaccinated because they don't get sick & could still get it & pass it on anyway.

wotzgoingon · 28-01-2022 10:45pm

My one year old has it. I asked her what are her symptoms and she said she has a bit of a hemiplegic migraine and that she is awfully nasally congested. I said right so and had to look the words up. She then proceeded to ask if I was mentally challenged.

AsTheQuoFlies · 29-01-2022 6:51pm

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Agreed.

fits · 30-01-2022 6:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118550880#Comment_118550880

I’m glad you agree with Sweden. 😀

Lumen · 30-01-2022 10:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118542639#Comment_118542639

You may agree with the decision, but Sweden has not stated that "the benefits of the vaccine do not outweigh the risks". That's your opinion.

The quote from the announcement press conference that's been widely reported is:

The vaccines are safe, there are very good vaccines but we are now focusing on the medical benefits of the individual child and we don’t see that the benefits are great enough for us to recommend for the whole group.

Additionally, they have decided against vaccination of all 5-12 year olds, but are recommending vaccination of children in that age group who have higher risk from COVID.

30-01-2022 11:24am

The pertinent point is there is no benefit to a healthy child taking a covid vaccine so the risk of taking that vaccine outweighs the benefit.

Obviously in view of the mildness of Omicron and the limited effectiveness of the existing vaccines to protect against it Sweden is reviewing its advice for parents.

we usually copy what other countries do so expect a change in policy here soon.

I will probably get an anti vaxx warning for posting that, par for the course here😀😀😀

Pawwed Rig · 30-01-2022 12:16pm

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Medically at least. The benefit is that a vaccinated child can still go about their business if one of their siblings gets covid. An unvaccinated child might need to isolate for 14 days

fits · 30-01-2022 2:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118553521#Comment_118553521

A child can be higher risk and also be healthy.

Cluedo Monopoly · 30-01-2022 3:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118553760#Comment_118553760

Fair point but a 'recovered' child can also go about their business if they are a close contact.

Pawwed Rig · 30-01-2022 3:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118554693#Comment_118554693

Any child can go about their business if they are just a close contact but you are correct that if the child has had covid since Dec 1 they are treated the same as a vaxxed child

donaghs · 16-02-2022 10:15am

Pat Kenny discussing vaccinating kids now. Main theme seems to be "what can we do to get more kids vaccinated?", not much discussion on whether is needed at this stage.

He's worried too about NPHET relaxing mask rules.

VillageIdiot71 · 16-02-2022 12:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118639067#Comment_118639067

Bet he'd love this

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/facemasks-expected-to-be-dropped-for-shops-public-transport-and-schools-41350543.html

“Nphet kept masks to get more kids vaccinated but that was always going to be challenging as parents don’t rush to get their kids vaccinated and they don’t really get sick from it,” a Government source said.

So I guess Government sources are now anti-vaxxers (as defined by some).

fits · 16-02-2022 8:32pm

Had my kids vaccinated in January and they got covid a week later - it’s about a month ago now. I postponed apts for second doses this weekend. Not sure what to do now.

Danno · 16-02-2022 8:49pm

Not getting the younger kids vaccinated, older one was double-vaxxed at the end of October and got Covid over Christmas, as did all in the household. All similar effects from Covid, vaccinated or not regardless. Waste of time and resources - would much rather see our vaccine consignment sent to countries where elderly and vulnerable people are still awaiting vaccination - it would be much better all round.

Vaccinating healthy kids, teenagers and young adults against this strain of Covid is a futile exercise. Vaccinate the vulnerable and get as many vulnerable folks worldwide vaccinated. After all the vaccines were developed to save lives so use them to save lives, not give them out like penny sweets to kids while others go wanting.

Anyone clamouring for vaccinations for all and boosters for all are authoritarian jocks hiding behind "follow the science" when the science is anything but for mass vaccinations.

Spudman_20000 · 17-02-2022 9:53am

Lots of reasons I won't be vaccinating my 2 kids:

We all had Covid towards the end of December, it was literally a joke for the kids, maybe one day of a mild headache and they had a nap in the middle of the day.

It's a double dose of a vaccine that Pfizer's own CEO said does practically nothing for Omicron (as evidenced too by the tens of thousands of cases per day in Ireland over December and January despite high vaccination levels and boosters).

The risk of Covid to healthy children is miniscule.

The vaccine doesn't stop you catching or transmitting the virus.

The clinical trial size was just 2000 children (half of which I'd assume were a placebo group).

And from the HSE themselves:

On rare side effects: "Most people recover from myocarditis and pericarditis on their own but they may need treatment in hospital. We don’t yet know if there are any long-term problems because of these side effects."

"We are still learning about the effectiveness and side effects of COVID-19 vaccines in this age group."

shesty · 17-02-2022 3:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118642909#Comment_118642909

This is me too Fits.My eldest got it at Christmas.Why would I vaccinate her now?🤨

23-02-2022 3:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118487028#Comment_118487028

Thanks, but can't take the credit there, call me old-fashioned but believe in encouraging kids to think for themselves rather than brainwashing them.

They figured out for themselves, better to wait till the end of the clinical trials of these drugs. Remember, for BioNTech SE and their collaborator, Pfizer, clinical trials don't end until around mid May 2023.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728?term=NCT04368728&draw=2&rank=1

Guessing reports/data will be some time after, or then they may try to withhold that data for 75 years, until 2096, also (you couldn't make that s**t up).

Interesting to note from the study description that when these trials began, 5-11 year olds were not even considered as a study group. Still are not as of last update earlier this month.

cannonballTaffyOjones · 23-02-2022 4:03pm

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/r/thingsThatNeverHappened

Supercell · 23-02-2022 4:17pm

Our three kids all got fully vaccinated and not a bother on them. None of them got covid yet that we know of and neither have their parents.

Whether its the vaccines, the multivitamins we all take daily since the start of all this or pure luck I don't know. My youngest told me she is the only girl in her class not to have got it yet. It's weird how it seems to skip people.

fits · 23-02-2022 4:40pm

My lads got their second jab today - just about over one month after contracting covid. All very easy and no side effects so far at least.

More Music · 28-02-2022 5:58pm

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I agree with the weird part.

3 in our household.

1 x adult healthcare worker exposed to Covid on daily basis - fully jabbed early on - never got Covid.

1 x adult (me) with autoimmune condition - not received any jab - never got Covid.

1 x primary school age child - not received any jab - never got Covid.

We both worked throughout Covid and child went to school.

We were all close contacts at various stages (either as a family or individually) and did the isolation thing, but all tests came back negative.

Some friends and family around us have got Covid, some haven't.

Didn't take multivitamins or anything else for Covid. Didn't clean the shopping before it came into the house or do anything manic like that. Just followed practical measures and tuned out of daily Covid news (from both sides) for the last year. Obviously paying attention to the important announcements etc.

I am not offering an opinion here, just stating the facts as they relate to me.

ceadaoin. · 01-03-2022 2:01am

New study showing the pfizer vaccine isnt very effective at all against omicron infection in the 5-11 age group.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.25.22271454v1

astrofool · 01-03-2022 2:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711930#Comment_118711930

That's literally not what the study says, go back and read it again (well at least a first time). You're still getting sucked in by headlines posted god knows which website.

ceadaoin. · 01-03-2022 3:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118711952#Comment_118711952

Its from the awful anti vax New York times. Literally the headline and by line is:

"Pfizer Shot Is Far Less Effective in 5- to 11-Year-Olds Than in Older Kids, New Data Show

While protection against hospitalization is still strong, the vaccine offered almost no protection against infection, even just a month after full vaccination"

Which is pretty much exactly what I said. Take it up with them

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/health/pfizer-vaccine-kids.html

astrofool · 01-03-2022 9:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118712031#Comment_118712031

You said limited effectiveness, effectiveness against severe disease remained as strong as ever.

You do know that's what the vaccines main purpose was?

You should know by now to read past the headline due to being caught like this multiple times previously.

ceadaoin. · 01-03-2022 3:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118712203#Comment_118712203

Kids already have protection against severe disease just by being kids. In the trials there were no severe cases or deaths, in either group. Even this article says:

"The vaccine’s effectiveness against hospitalization declined to 73 percent from 85 percent in the older children. In the younger children, effectiveness dropped to 48 percent from 100 percent. But because few children were hospitalized, these estimates have wide margins of error.

The numbers for protection from infection are more reliable."

And stop with the lying about what we were told about the vaccine. It was meant to stop infection, the evidence of these statements is still out there.

I won't be getting my 5-11 year old vaccinated (with this vaccine, open to more traditional ones if they become available in this age group). Thats my choice as a parent. You do you.

astrofool · 01-03-2022 8:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118714298#Comment_118714298

Your claim was limited effectiveness, the paper disagreed with you, the rest you've posted is whataboutery based on your own misconceptions about vaccines that I doubt will change regardless of evidence. This has also been a pretty consistent pattern you've had with vaccine articles.

ceadaoin. · 01-03-2022 9:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118715936#Comment_118715936

What I said:

"New study showing the pfizer vaccine isnt very effective at all against omicron infection in the 5-11 age group."

See how I specifically said "against infection"? I put it in bold there for you

What the study said:

"In the Omicron era, the effectiveness against cases of BNT162b2 declined rapidly for children, particularly those 5-11 years."

And

"VE against cases declined from 66% (95% CI: 64%, 67%) to 51% (95% CI: 48%, 54%) for those 12-17 years and from 68% (95% CI: 63%, 72%) to 12% (95% CI: 6%, 16%) for those 5-11 years."

That is consistent with my post. I think its you who has the "misconceptions" about what I'm saying. And also if you read the study, you would see that effectiveness against hospitalisation in that age group isnt as "strong as ever". It has declined quite a bit. Luckily for the vast majority of kids, the risk of severe illness and/or hospitalisation is extremely small to begin with.

astrofool · 01-03-2022 9:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118716011#Comment_118716011

And smaller still after a vaccine 😁

The pandemic is all but over, we'll likely have annual vaccines but you're still spreading sh*te after the countless lives saved by them, not sure what your game is or who you're trying to convince at this stage, all a bit weird. The risk/reward for kids getting vaccinated is heavily on the vaccine side, that's irrefutable.

Spudman_20000 · 02-03-2022 10:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118716210#Comment_118716210

So the cohort that are at an infinitesimally small risk of severe illness, hospitalisation and death from the virus are at an infinitesimally small risk of severe illness, hospitalisation and death after getting the vaccine. Stunning logic you have there.

Anyone giving this current vaccine to healthy kids would want their heads examined.

astrofool · 02-03-2022 10:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118718105#Comment_118718105

The logic is that you reduce that small risk to an even smaller risk.

Following your logic, we wouldn't use most vaccines as the risk/reward for the SARS-COV2 vaccines is above that of many childhood vaccines.

That's what the science says.

But I'm sure you would get all huffy and offended if I implied you wanted to stop the early childhood vaccination program.

Spudman_20000 · 02-03-2022 11:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118718302#Comment_118718302

Ah, so now we're comparing childhood vaccines which have been around for decades and who's effectiveness doesn't wane after a couple of weeks to these covid ones? You probably thought the swine flu vaccine was a good idea for kids at the time too.

Are you getting your child 5-11 vaccinated? Why/why not?

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