Wfs forestry investment

I invested with this firm.

The principal here is a guy called Craig Hands and the guy is not a trustworthy person. After numerous promises of payment following the fraudulent issuing of a share cert for my forestry investment, it came to nothing.

The addresses used by this director are long out of date and the owners of the addresses currently, have numerous callers and letters from people looking for him.

The company address for WFS in the UK is a brass plate accountancy office, so there is no real point of contact there either.

Anyone with information on the whereabouts of Mr Hands, please contact me or if he has arranged to meet you, please let me know. Anyone else owed money, feel free to contact and I will reply.

Hey he is ignoring me as well, this guy should not escape easily with our hard-earned money! I am planning to take legal action. So send me PM if you want to join

After a number of broken promises, things are not looking good so I would be happy to discuss taking further action maybe we should start by setting up a Facebook group so individuals can be verified?

Just one point as Craig Hands the director not only controls the company but has also personally spoken to myself and others on here from what I can gather. If we can show that he has lied, or his company doesn't own enough land/trees I think he will be personally accountable.

It would be interesting if we can collate all emails directly from him as he is the director, it will be hard for him to wiggle out of that one if there is anything untoward going on.

We need to find a solicitor that will take the case does anyone know a solicitor or have a solicitor that would take the case when we all join together?

Hi I tried to talk to couple of lawyers. One thing common is they are all expensive and cost is damn high, but here what I gather.

We have to go to high court as the amount is very high. But Irish laws allow us to represent our case. The case would be easy win, so even if we gather and just present our case, we should win. I think, winning the case is the easy part but debt recovery looks difficult.

The following three legal options thereafter presenting the case in the court.

I see only one way out that we prove that he has lied to us and he is a fraud.

The best option would be to issue proceedings against the director of the company for fraudulent and reckless trading, but there is a very high burden of proof to establish this and we have to prove that there was a conscious decision to not repay investments and he has committed fraud.

1. Publication of the Judgement – publication of the debtor’s name and amount owed in the Stubbs Gazette which could affect the debtor’s credit rating
2. Execution by way of Sheriff – Sheriff can seize goods and sell them for the purpose of raising money to satisfy the debt or enter into an instalment arrangement with the debtor. There is a slight delay at the moment due to Covid 19.
3. Judgement Mortgage – Judgement Mortgage can be registered against any property or land if the debtor owes any. Once a Judgement Mortgage is registered the debtor cannot sell the land or property until the debt is discharged.

Please PM me if you are interested and we should make a group discussion further. I also emailed to CRO to make sure he does not strike off his company but the status is normal. The problem is CRO can not do anything, such loose laws, he thinks he is in UK so he can get away with it.

So, we should react soon...

Same story as above, how can we make contact and proceed

Hi I would like to be involved in this group please, some situation.

Please ping me, we are preparing for a legal case.

Please contact me also regarding this issue as I am in the same situation .

James0937 could you message me about this too

Im also owed a lot of money can you advise going forward.

I am hoping to get my return back on my large investment in WFS. It is fundamentally a solid business and has lodged its revenue returns from 2016 in UK. I think covid has had a poor effect on most investments and I hope we can still get a resolution in time on this one even if its delayed.

Hi Damo, I take on board we are all under pressure here, no doubt. It is mostly based in UK. They supply a large retailer and have a company called JingleTree.co.uk to deliver christmas trees direct in UK. It is successful and profitable. I know all companies have a decrease in investment due covid so time is needed for recovery. This is the real economic situation. I am optimistic we will get our returns, maybe delayed but at least I think we will get it. The company filed returns since 2016 in UK, i.e. 4 years of revenue returns.

Paul58 I'm going to take on board what you have said, and you should be able to answer these simple questions as all I can see is losses, and accounts not being filed on time!

1. What is the name of the retailer you are referring to?
2. How do you know jingletree.co.uk is profitable?
3. What returns have they produced for -
   1. 2016
   2. 2017
   3. 2018
   4. 2019

Hi All I’m just reading all your comments and unfortunately I’m in the same position as ye I’ve been scammed out of what in my eyes is quiet a substantial amount of money and am looking for ways to try get it back. I’ve been talking to Craig quiet a few times and he’s only been fobbing me of I need to take action now so would be happy to join any willing group that is set up to go after this guy

Just sent you PM, thanks

Hello can you please contact me too please james0987 I’m in same boat with this company. Thanks

I have registered my objection by email this morning

I have registered an objection to the winding up of this company,

Craig Hands has form for this type of behaviour, He is a low life and would tell you anything to buy time,

Anyone got a further current address for him ? Oak Cottage looks the most likely but no one at home at time of visit ?

Can anyone give me what they believe to be a current address for Craig or that of Julie Hands or the daughter,

Hello everyone, sorry for the late reply.

Please see the following articles which should give some light on the situation.

Do NOT trust anything Craig will tell you.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/alleged-investors-seek-appointment-of-inspector-to-christmas-tree-firm-1.4826766

https://m.independent.ie/business/irish/investors-want-court-to-order-probe-into-christmas-tree-firm-41446933.html

I am in the same boat as many on here, WFS have repeatedly failed on their commitments to me. I would be happy to join in with any court action if someone wants to email me