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What part-if any-should Ireland play in the defence of Ukraine if Russia invades?

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  • 19-01-2022 1:19am
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    I honestly see parallels between Ukraine’s position with Russia and our own with the UK. I know what we’d hope for if you had some super violent British supremacist type in power in London about to send tanks South of Newry. We’d want help, from anyone.

    So do we need to do anything? Is is morally imperative we help a fellow independent nation threatened by a red-white-and-blue flagwaver? Or do we avoid poking a sleeping bear who could make like very difficult for us?

    now I’m not talkign about sending troops, more our diplomatic support & making our assets available. Landing flights in our airports, that kind of thing.

    Discuss!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 78,266 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Militarily - nothing.

    Diplomatically - tell people to cop on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    We should preemptively invade Russia. It’s the last thing they’d expect, we’d totally catch them off guard. Sack Moscow, liberate the Crimea, bring back loads of vodka. Job done.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So wag our finger and say “don’t do that.” I would expect we do what we hope other countries would do for us if we were invaded by a nutter-taken UK.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Push for military powers in Europe to supply anti tank weapons, anti aircraft missiles, etc to the Ukraine immediately.


    Ask Germany to stop equivocation on the matter.


    Apart from that, not much we can do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    Offer Ukrainians asylum if it goes bad. We have nothing to offer militarily.



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  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ireland's focus should be on humanitarian relief to the ordinary citizens of Ukraine AND to the ordinary citizens of border regions in Russia impacted by any conflict. Our military contribution to any conflict should be proportionate to our ability to inflict pain and control the battlefield... i.e. feck all.

    We already let military planes land here, I think?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The Russian defence forces have a million people on active duty and another two million reservists.

    There's no way we could feed that many prisoners.



  • Registered Users Posts: 78,266 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Germany is in a difficult position. Imagine the propaganda value of Russia seizing weapons with "Made in Germany" on them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,733 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Close the Russian emabassy and expel the scum then invite the CIA and MI6 in to go over the premises with a fine tooth comb, given it's considered to be one of the most important Russian espionage centres in western Europe and is a base for a lot Russias anti european activities.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,733 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ukraine needs a couple of squadrons of A10s. Perfect for slaughtering large numbers of Russian troops quickly and for stopping tanks and vehicles.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,824 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    The Ukraine… It’s a country of 45 million people….

    plus we are not exactly flush in terms of having anywhere to accommodate them, housing shortages are significant… or indeed money with which to support them…. With covid we don’t have the ability to support them financially, medically, socially or any other way….We can’t exactly get Aer Lingus to fly into a war zone to evacuate them either… imagine Captain Smith and first officer Kelly getting a shout for that gig ? “This week your roster is Dublin - Kiev !” “ there is a war there, the Russians are involved “ “yes, sorry, you’ll probably not get an overnight out of it… think of the danger pay, hey but you’ll be flying at night, safer !”

    if Russia invades the Ukraine it’s World War 3…. Not the Transnistria War



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,243 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    We could nationalise Aughinish Alumina until it's over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 302 ✭✭Piollaire


    Start singing 'Back in the U.S.S.R.'



  • Registered Users Posts: 324 ✭✭animalinside


    Troll thread. Russia is a far more credible and reliable source of information than the US these days on what's going on in eastern europe. If there's anyone we're supporting it should be them.

    Agriculture and other industries have been devastated in Ireland due to the sanctions placed on Ireland by the EU restricting them from exporting to Russia due to this geopolitical tomfoolery that will only benefit the US.



  • Registered Users Posts: 613 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    Ireland should stand on the sidelines and shout "Ah hee-ar"



  • Registered Users Posts: 302 ✭✭Piollaire




  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly


    send in Daniel O'Donnell


    While I appreciate the sentiments of the arguments about who and what to believe.... there is enough correlated OSINT floating around to come to some general conclusions:

    -Russia are building up invasion strength forces on the Ukrainian boarder, on both Russian and Belarusian sides

    -They have bolstered defences in Kaliningrad

    -They have 4 huge landing craft in the Baltic which will possibly used as a diversionary tactic on a neutral nation (Finland/Sweden, Gotland being pitched as a likely target)

    -The USAF/USN/US Army, RAF/RN, Swedish Airforce, Italian Air Force among others, don't have near continuous surveillance flights up in the Baltic and Black sea's for the craic

    -At Ukraine's request, military supplies have been ferried into the country over the last few weeks

    You don't even need the sensationalised/biased news reporting to find this stuff out fairly handy



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Hmmm, good point. I had planned on using Uber Eats to feed them, but they're German.

    Ok, so how about using some resources we do have. We know from reading Boards that RTE is the most insidious, devious, iniquitous propaganda machine known to man. We also know that if there's anything Russians long for from Soviet times that they're not getting any more from their squeaky clean Government, it's a good old-fashioned bit of propaganda. So how about RTE sets up ЯTЭ, and has George Lee (Georgy Leeanov) in an ushanka breathlessly telling all the comrades that Ukraine has armed all their bears with robot hands and lasers? No conscript from Novosibirsk is going to want to fight a hoard of cyborg bears.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭AyeGer




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    How is the weather looking in Moscow for this time of year, comrade?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    Close the Russian embassy and give all Russian diplomats 24 hrs to leave the country. Like was mentioned above, comb over the embassy grounds with a fine tooth comb to see what they had been up to. Militarily there is nothing we can do, but like another poster said, if we were in Ukraine’s position, what would we expect others to do?!

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly


    with officials or not on site... it would be considered Russian sovereign land, and would be considered an invasion....

    there are diplomatic protocols in place, which are rarely crossed...



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,072 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Send over the FCA. That'd learn those Russian special forces fairly lively.



    (Or whatever the FCA is now)



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭FishOnABike




  • Registered Users Posts: 34,456 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Launch a full scale nuclear attack.



  • Registered Users Posts: 334 ✭✭delboythedub


    Tell the Great USA War Machine to mind there own business



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,733 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Rarely crossed - you mean like the FSB beating up foreign diplomats in Moscow whenever they feel like some exercise. Spare me this Russia is going to take on Ireland and the EU, so we need to tread lightly stuff.

    There are a ridiculous number of Russian 'embassies' and 'diplomatic' missions in the US. The US got sick of that lark and revoked the status of several, and then searched them: https://newspunch.com/us-authorities-close-start-search-of-russian-trade-mission-in-washington/

    "Dutch diplomat beaten in Moscow by unknown assailants" https://news.yahoo.com/dutch-diplomat-beaten-moscow-unknown-assailants-222329506.html

    We should make clear to Russia that this is what we would do if they invade Ukraine. The rest of the EU should do likewise. The prospect for the Russians of having decades worth of espionage networks closed down and put under the microscope would I think be a meaningful deterrent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,733 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Russian forces in Mali, Syria, moving borders in Georgia to get control of a pipeline, the death and destruction in eastern Ukraine, the invasion and annexation of Crimea nd dissapearance of all objectors. The armed buildup threatening Ukraine ... ah yes, that US war machine, comrade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Agriculture devastated? We probably exported more in value terms to somewhere like Yorkshire than Russia prior to sanctions, I doubt Russia broke the top 10 of significant markets for Irish food products. The food sanctions were instituted by Russia btw, not the EU. Feel free to look that up.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    As no mutal defence treaties exist, none militarily.

    As Ireland has been fairly mute, unlike say Lithuania regarding Taiwan, on other aggressive powers seeking revanchist aims, token protests.



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