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Are you getting your child 5-11 vaccinated? Why/why not?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,536 ✭✭✭✭ astrofool


    Shortage of vaccinations isn't really a reason, we'll go through our supply regardless (and some will expire before they get used), there are a multitude of reasons why vaccine uptake isn't great in some countries, a lot of it is down to the ability to administrate the vaccine (e.g. South Africa have started rejecting vaccines due to logistical problems in getting them to people) as well as people not being that interested (as there are greater threats to solve instead, it's not like we can get food and water to areas that need it either just because we have an abundance), if you want to make a difference there, donate to COVAX as that is also helping on the administration side.

    For children, it's essentially turning a very low risk into a very very low risk, I think it's down to each parent to decide if it's worth it or not, my rationale is that they'll probably meet the virus anyway and if they do, they'll have antibodies and an immune system ready to fight it and avoid being sick, missing school, spreading it to others etc. to varying degrees.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,959 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Chips Lovell


    There's been a few studies as far as I know. The Danish one done just after Christmas found that while Omicron is definitely more transmissible among the vaccinated, it's still less transmissible than it is among the unvaccinated.

    Our results show that the Omicron VOC is generally 2.7-3.7 times more infectious than the Delta VOC among vaccinated individuals (Table 3). This observation is in line with data from (18), which estimated that 19% of Omicron VOC primary cases in households in the UK resulted in at least one other infection within the household, compared to only 8.3% of those associated with the Delta VOC. Furthermore, we show that fully vaccinated and booster-vaccinated individuals are generally less susceptible to infection compared to unvaccinated individuals (Table 2). We also show that booster-vaccinated individuals generally had a reduced transmissibility (OR: 0.72, CI: 0.56-0.92), and that unvaccinated individuals had a higher transmissibility (OR: 1.41, CI: 1.27-1.57), compared to fully vaccinated individuals.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,756 ✭✭✭ raind


    Do you seriously think 5 to 11 year olds are going to be coming home crying because they didn't get a needle that their friends got.

    Who said anything about kids crying?

    Most kids are scared of needles and you think some kids will be upset because their friends got a needle and they didn't.

    Who said anything about kids being upset? They do ask questions though

    This is not a vaccine where a nurse comes into the school, parents need to bring the child outside of school so how are other kids going to know who got a vaccine.

    Kids do talk to each other about what happens outside school

    These are young kids, I don't think they will have any idea what needle they got and I don't think kids this age are going to be having conversations about Covid in school.

    You are seriously underestimating both the curiosity and intelligence of kids

    A case might have been made for kids to get it to reduce transmission, but that is now pointless, so the only reason to jab kids now is to make people like you feel safer.

    Thank you for telling me how I feel oh insightful one. There is also a reason cases are peaking with nowhere near 80% of the population infected and for a large portion be asymptomatic / extremely mild. Care to hazard a guess why?

    It is a massive waste of money and the uptake will be very low.

    In fact the majority of kids will not get the vaccine so to use your ridiculous theory, it is much more likely kids will be asking parents why did they need to get a needle that hurt them when their friends didn't have to get it.

    My now 7 your old understands the rationale for vaccination and did so a year ago. You underestimate both the intelligence and resilience of kids



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  • Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭ tfeldi


    Fully agree with raind.

    My 7 year old was proudly telling in school when she got the first vaccine and she knows who also been vaccinated in her class. She is also looking forward to the next. Her arm hurt for a day but she didn't mind. She also knows why we are pausing activities outside school when cases are really high, and that we proceeding with them again when cases are better.

    Her 4 year old brother knows that his sister got something that he didn't and that it was a vaccine, but is confusing flu with covid vaccine.

    In short, a majority of kids in the 5 - 11 year range know what a vaccine is and talk about it. We obviously all hope that there will be a time again when kids knew a bit less about these things and can be 'normal' kids again. But kids surprisingly adjust to all kinds of situations.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭ Cluedo Monopoly


    Curious, does anyone here give their young children the annual flu vaccine?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,520 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Pawwed Rig


    My son actually asked me yesterday when he was getting the vaccine as all his friends are coming in with stickers



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,327 ✭✭✭ SouthWesterly




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  • Registered Users Posts: 494 ✭✭ Sesame


    Not get my children vaccinated for now anyway.

    I am vaccinated and boosted. Reading that they are now talking about a 4th vaccination, I don't wish my kids to have 2/3/4 vaccinations like adults. When does it stop? I can't imagine bring my children in every couple of months for another shot. My non-scientific instinct to that is that it's not right.

    I have read up WHO advice and other legit sources and made the decision not to. I also believe we are in the cusp of the end of the pandemic stage so see no reason to risk a vaccine for children where the long term affects are unknown. The risk/reward for children is reversed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,225 ✭✭✭✭ fits




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,520 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Pawwed Rig


    They do 'news' in the morning and many in my kids class have announced that they were vaccinated as part of their news as obviously their parents made a bit of a big deal about it (as you do). It is not something a 7 year old debates the pros and cons of during their lunch break if that is what you think was meant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭ Marty Bird


    I just think making a big deal and telling others your medical status in front of the class is disturbing that kind of talk should be discouraged within the class.

    Children who take the medicine that’s their own business and that type of info should be kept private.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,520 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Pawwed Rig


    Kids don't have any sense of privacy. Nor should they be expected to. That is why you don't say anything in front of kids that you wouldn't like to see repeated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭ harrylittle




  • Registered Users Posts: 733 ✭✭✭ JPup


    Yes, the flu shot is free and administered with a spray up the nose. No needle required. In and out in a couple of mins and completely painless. My child has never had side effects but I'm sure they are possible. The flu is quite dangerous for children. Considerably more so than Covid (based on the probability of hospitalisation after contracting the disease).



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭ Cluedo Monopoly


    Very good. I believe the flu vaccine only became available to children last year or 2020 - am I right?

    I got the real flu once in my 20s and honestly it was horrific. I was never as sick in my life. Awful.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,333 ✭✭✭✭ seamus


    Any insights on queueing times for kids' vaccinations at the moment? Everyone we've spoken to reported that last week people were rocking up with all of their kids to vaccine appointments, and the vaccinators were doing them all. Fair enough, but this was backing up the whole system. Everyone reported they were queueing for 90 mins+.

    Same deal this week or have they clamped down on it? I'm thinking the child is more likely to get covid standing in a queue for two hours, so would rather push it back by a week till there are no queues.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭ Ashbourne hoop


    Over the last two years both my kids have had the flu vaccine.

    Eldest (18) has got her covid booster and the youngest (11) has had his first dose. I was on the fence with both of them, but they decided they wanted to get vaccinated themselves, as did their mother.

    Post edited by Ashbourne hoop on


  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭ rex_turner


    The HSE website explicitly states that if you have more than one child to be vaccinated, then you can bring them all to one appointment. I live 40 minutes (in light traffic, longer if busier) from the vaccination centre and have 3 children in the age range. I got their appointments for 3 different days - it would have been highly impractical for me to bring them separately - 6 round trips for 2 doses.

    Having said that the vaccination centre yesterday was busy but our wait was minimal.

    To the person who thinks that children should keep their "medical information" to themselves, while I was waiting to collect my children from school yesterday one of the teachers told me that my child told her that they were the surprise in the family as their parents weren't expecting them to be born - so my child can't even keep our (lack of) family planning to themselves never mind their own "medical information". 😜



  • Registered Users Posts: 494 ✭✭ Sesame


    I agree and thought it been strange the way there's been very little publicity since the first day you could register children for the vaccine. There's been nothing since and the actual numbers of children who have been vaccinated as information is not been released in the same form as it has for adults. We had breakdowns of numbers vaccinated for each age group up to now, why are they not doing the same for the 5 to 11 group?

    It does seem like there not a genuine backing in government/HSE for this cohort. Yesterday's Irish Times has a full page ad on getting the booster. But nothing about our children where it appears less than 10% have been vaccinated. (I think I read 46,000 out of 480,000 eligible, although that could have increased since but info hard to find). Its odd and I'm hoping that the need for a children's cert is not coming down the line, where the unvaccinated children cannot travel/go to restaurants/etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,537 ✭✭✭ Apogee


    The weekly breakdowns of vaccines administered for all age groups, including 5-11 in grey, are on the COVID hub->https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/vaccinations




  • Registered Users Posts: 68,333 ✭✭✭✭ seamus




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭ donaghs


    it took about a year for the pandremix swine flu narcolepsy link in teens to emerge. First in Nordic countries in 2010.

    you can see people on an old medical boards.ie thread here sneering at anyone who questioned the safety, testing procedures, or necessity of vaccinating people against swine flu:

    Like economic boom and bust cycles, these are lessons which need to be continually re-learned.

    There must be a very very serious case for speeding up approval and deployment of new medicines. I don’t think covid in kids meets that requirement.

    I’m fully vaxxed myself. Wouldn’t rule it out for the kids, but it needs more time to shake out.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ MilkyToast


    That thread is depressing.

    "LOL **** antivaxxer morons get jabbed" Repeat for 20+ pages.

    10 years later>Narcolepsy link.

    Cue Tumbleweed.


    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭ spaceHopper


    This year and last year, I think it's the first time you could get it for kids.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭ spaceHopper


    Still very much on the fence about this leaning towards doing it. One thing to keep in mind is that soon enough they will wind down the vaccine centers if you leave it to long you may end up having a hard time getting it close to home.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭ Cluedo Monopoly


    Just over 16% of children aged 5 to 11 vaccinated (rte.ie)

    Just over 16% of children aged 5 to 11 vaccinated so far

    Latest figures show that over 78,000 children aged five to 11 have been given a Covid-19 vaccination so far.

    There are an estimated 480,000 children in this age group eligible for immunisation and the uptake to date represents just over 16% of children eligible.

    The key metric is how many children have been registered. I don't see that in the article.



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