Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

Type 17 · 18-01-2022 09:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118489224#Comment_118489224

If you're using a 13A rated cable/device for 10A continuous, that's about the safe limit for continuous use (which is why most granny chargers are 'only' 10A) - the concept of "13A max load" that is written on electrical stuff is that it is assumed that it is not continuous - it's assumed that you won't run an eg: welder for hours at a time, and when there's a good chance of that happening, with an electric cooker (long roasting/baking times in the oven), it is given its own individual (and usually 15A) circuit, rather than being allowed to share a ring circuit with other sockets/devices.

The wire I was given is rated up to 20A, but that's probably overkill, but it's easier to overspec, didn't affect the price too much, and is very durable for outdoor use (thick, tough, but soft and flexible rubber insulation), so still a good choice overall - the key thing is that it's not too small a cross-section (each of the three wires is 2.5mm cross-sectional area) - too small a cross-section for the current would mean the wire would get hot, which would be inefficient (higher resistance) and dangerous (overheating/melting of insulation in extreme cases).

Manion · 18-01-2022 09:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492616#Comment_118492616

I don't get this really. I'm reading of the T and C's was that you could get one charger per property for a given EV and applicant. People have spoken about getting a second charger on grant for a second car at the same property or a grant for second hand cars. You supply the car details, the property details and your details. You have to be the owner of the vichele for the normal grant. If this was against T and C as you claim surely it would be caught immediately.

Sam the Sham · 18-01-2022 11:35AM

What does “only one … charger grant may be received per applicant” mean?

Does an applicant who receives 3 charger grants comply with that condition?

It hinges on whether a person making three applications counts as one applicant or three. Is an “applicant” a person or an application by a person?

Also, from the SEAI website:

The vehicle has to be registered to the applicant and to the address of the property where the home charger is being installed (unless this is a Company Vehicle application).

Would an individual, not a company, who used a single EV to apply for grants to install chargers at multiple properties be in compliance with this? How did the log book manage to match all of the addresses? Because the car registration address was changed expressly for this purpose?

Would it be acceptable to do this with 20 properties, changing the log book of the car each time?

Certainly a violation of the spirit of the scheme if not the letter.

Manion · 18-01-2022 12:04PM

I guess that's just your opinion. All the necessary information to comply with the terms has to be provided and the decision maker is SEAI. Information is not being withheld, fraud is not happening.

As for the spirit, we'll have to look back at what government policies the scheme is promoting. It has to work for everyone, not just home owners. You change address you're meant to change the log book, failure to do so can have serious consequences. I've lived in 3 properties since 2011, if I'd a leaf back then I two would have applied for 3 grants by now.

I know a couple who have bought their first electric car while in rental accomodation and are applying for the grant. I'm sure if they move in a couple years time to their own property or still renting, they won't be swapping car and will apply again for the the grant at a new house. Far from being against the spirit I'd say the scheme is set up for this.

Frankly this is how all these grants work, if your circumstances change you can apply again. I'm in a position where I own two properties, I can apply for the SEAI solar grant on both.

I think you read a lot into the posters post that wasn't there, it still an expense to get a charger. People aren't just fiddling log books to get chargers installed in places they don't live for the craic. This isn't cash for ash. At the margins you're probably getting people installing secondary chargers they otherwise wouldn't but you don't execute national public policy based on the margins.

slave1 · 18-01-2022 12:12PM

What does “only one … charger grant may be received per applicant” mean?

Does an applicant who receives 3 charger grants comply with that condition?

That first line could easily be interpreted as being you can only apply for one home charge point on this application, should you move house you can only apply for one home change point on that application and so on.

It's not your (or my) call on this, it's the SEAI.

Personally, I have availed of the home charger grant for my install, should I move house in the morning I would apply for it again and I've no reservation on that as it does not explicitly state anywhere that an individual can only receive grant assistance once over their lifetime.

Lest not forget that was I to move, my current address would have a change point installed and that is the overall "spirit" of the scheme, to assist home charge points installs

handpref · 18-01-2022 08:31PM

Thanks Gumbo, I appreciate the advice and am happy now knowing that it is all part of due process and in line with the SEAI conditions. Every new charger installed can only be of benefit.

Its very proactive of the SEAI to understand that not everybody will live their life in the same house and that having a home charger is essential when owning an EV.

It will also benefit the new home owner, however they will not be able to avail of the scheme because that house/mprn received its allocated charged grant, so no gaming allowed. Its hardly gaming the system if it breaks no rules. Nobody is making money from it that is not legitimate.

Apologies if you took some unwanted flack for giving good advice- people installing legitimate charge points in line with guidelines and with the express permission of the SEAI should be commended for their continued and progressive development of Irelands EV infrastructure.

When I think of gaming the system in Ireland people installing officially sanctioned, certified and legitimate car chargers are not what comes to mind-

rodge123 · 18-01-2022 09:55PM

Interesting info in last few pages on having multiple property installs.

Hoping to have i4 40 in April and looking into home chargers. Was thinking of getting one for our house in Meath and another at the in-laws in limerick…we go down at least twice a month.

Any tips on what home charger to get? Don’t have a clue about brands, features, etccc.

Love my tech so ideally something that can be easily controlled via an app.

Not 100% whether I’ll be putting it on a house wall (nice stonework) or have to have some stand made up for it to go onto at edge of driveway. Or maybe some of them come as free standing chargers?

Manion · 18-01-2022 10:18PM

Well, to be clear, it needs to be a property the car is registered at to get the grant. So you would have to reregister the car at each of those properties. I'll not jump to any conclusion but remember the log book is used by revenue to manage motor tax payments to councils, so it's a very official document.

Anyway, the Zappi is recommended a lot interns of smart chargers. The hypervolt is probably the most nerdy as it has a raspberry pie inside so has potential to run a lot of apps including custom one. I've an Andersen SE again with an app and lots of features. For mounting on a pedestal you've lots of options as well.

Gumbo · 18-01-2022 11:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492087#Comment_118492087

change of address was done once I moved house.
seai ask if the ESB bill is in the name of the applicant on the form.
Car must be registered to the address on question. No Dublin registered car can be used for a grant in Meath unless the cat]r has changed it’s registered address to said property in Meath. You must supply copies of log book for payment.

Gumbo · 18-01-2022 11:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496995#Comment_118496995

All the tech in the world, and it’s still just a glorified plug socket.

you want a charge point to be as basic as possible to avoid any unnecessary failures.

all the fancy stuff can be done on the app for the car. Charge limit, preheating, departure timing , night rate charging etc

id stump for a zappi or a wallbox pulsar if it was me.

rodge123 · 19-01-2022 12:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497461#Comment_118497461

Good point, just quickly checked out the bmw connected app and looks like does all those items you mention.

In that case my only concern is the look/quality of it. Thinking I will put it onto sandstone wall at front of house, very visible on approach to door. Liking the looks of the Anderson ones, must see what they are like price/quality wise vs the zappi/wallbox.

https://andersen-ev.com/products/andersen-a2/

Cyrus · 19-01-2022 10:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497709#Comment_118497709

either pay for an andersen or put an eo mini untethered behind a down pipe or somewhere, they are very small and will be obscured from view

Gumbo · 19-01-2022 11:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497709#Comment_118497709

Yes now your into a different kettle of fish. If I had a stone wall then looks would be important.

The top of the line is an Anderson Unit. All else fails in comparison but you pay for that beauty.

I had a BMW wallbox and it was huge!

Id be looking for something small, discreet but had goo app features and solar PV integration.

I used to be an advocate for the Zappi but the pulsar wallbox is brilliant. Small.

tethered and the app has built in cost tools so you can see what your car is using!

russelldlee · 19-01-2022 11:14AM

Hi all

Can anyone recommend an EV electrician installation for the Zappi Charger in South Dublin. Would appreciate the price you got also. Can't find anything less than 1500 EUR (before grant). We need a pedestal also.

Thanks

Lee

rodge123 · 19-01-2022 01:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498616#Comment_118498616

What are we talking price wise for the Anderson vs pulsar wallbox before grants?Not seeing prices listed in Ireland for the Anderson.

Manion · 19-01-2022 01:13PM

You're talking in the region of 2300 to 2500 euro for an Andersen if you can even get someone to supply and fit it. If you search back you'll see a few photos from me of an installation.

rodge123 · 19-01-2022 01:20PM

Right, wasn’t expecting them to be that amount dearer. Will most likely opt for something else I’d say in that case. Thanks for info and pics

Quin_Dub · 19-01-2022 01:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499347#Comment_118499347

Get the Untethered EO Mini - Small and neat with all the features you might want (supports Solar charging etc.) and worst case if you need to hide it a box built around it will be easy enough to do as it's so small.

Even including the isolator a cover would be only slightly larger than a shoe box .

Manion · 19-01-2022 01:57PM

Yeah, the really ugly thing is the isolator switch. I do like the look of the hypervolt but the cable is exposed. EO mini has probably one of the smallest foot prints but avoid you have the added hassle of cables.

mailforkev · 19-01-2022 02:12PM

Think I'm going to get an untethered EO Mini on the side of the house. As Cyrus mentioned above, it should fit nicely behind the downpipe out of sight. I'd be an infrequent charger so not too much of an imposition to have to plug my own cable in to it.

Looks like roughly 500 after the grant, although I do need load balancing if that's extra. Anyone get a better price recently? I'm Southside Dublin.

Gumbo · 19-01-2022 04:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498705#Comment_118498705

With a pedestal you’ll struggle to get it any better than €1500 if at all.

Gumbo · 19-01-2022 04:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499304#Comment_118499304

Pulsar is €1199 supplied and fitted by car charger.ie

That includes load balancing if required. I think it’s €200 cheaper without.

The Anderson is about €2k from memory but I’ve no info to back that up. It’s £1100 stg to buy direct plus shipping plus customs etc

Gumbo · 19-01-2022 04:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499566#Comment_118499566

You’ll have the isolater switch on them

all unfortunately. You might be lucky in placement that it can be hidden or obscured but the idea is that it’s prominently placed and easy to access.

Cyrus · 19-01-2022 04:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499641#Comment_118499641

there is a pic of mine on the audi etron thread, you cant see it unless you go around the side of the house past the downpipe!

Electric ireland did mine for 1,099, that includes 'smart features' including load balancing. So 500 excl grant all in.

Manion · 19-01-2022 04:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500717#Comment_118500717

Very true. I got a special one though with a poly technic finish that actually bends light around the isolator such that it's actually invisible.

russelldlee · 19-01-2022 07:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500686#Comment_118500686

Can anyone recommend anything around the 1200 mark then with a pedestal?

NIMAN · 19-01-2022 07:32PM

As someone who is selling a tethered Type 1 ChargePoint with my Leaf, and who now needs to get type 2 installed, am I right in thinking i am going to have to add a pile of money to the €600 Grant?

Any websites I am reading suggest I'll have to add at least 500 to get one via the grant. Is that right?

€1100 To buy and install a ChargePoint?

TomOnBoard · 19-01-2022 07:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501735#Comment_118501735

Looks like that, assuming you never got the grant before.

NIMAN · 19-01-2022 08:25PM

I never got the grant before, but 1100 is shocking to supply and fit.

Looks like I will go down the route of buying my own and paying a local electrician to fit it.

Can you use the grant for that? If you buy your ChargePoint from a seller that can provide a receipt/invoice and your spark provides a receipt too, can I get the cost covered by Grant if it's less than 600?

Gumbo · 19-01-2022 10:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118501593#Comment_118501593

I cant recommend one as i don't think one exists.

Considering the cheapest install at the moment is €1199 (with load balancing)and that's without a pedestal and the additional labour and cabling.

The same charger is €999 but no load balancing or smart version i believe. www.carcharger.ie

Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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