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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,788 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    An omicron variant (that is to say a new variant based on the omicron one) would be less severe anyway with so many people having caught omicron

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That's a planning for the worst commentary and it is assumed that it will be back again in some form. The comment about vaccines sounds more like a flu jab programme but we won't be doing it again with this batch of vaccines.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The 1918 pandemic ended when a far more transmissible, but less pathogenic variant emerged that swept its way across the world. This was after 3-4 waves of severe illness. See a pattern?

    Mother nature has a way of sorting these things out. The virus is here to stay, but as an endemic cold-like coronavirus. Let's not forget that several other cold-causing viruses are already coronaviruses some of us will already have been exposed to. This is just yet another coronavirus to add to the blend.

    As for the fears of massive death over winter, I never understood the logic. Omicron and influenza target the same vulnerable people - the elderly, those at end-of-life, and those with significant underlying health conditions and immunosuppression. Given that you can't die twice and the population of these people remains more or less the same, we shouldn't be surprised when Varadkar called this past winter "just like another flu season" in hospitals.

    The same will apply later this year; it won't be flu + this coronavirus contributing to double deaths; it will be the same population of vulnerable people targeted by one or other virus. In the meantime, boost hospital beds and critical care staff, as much as possible, to absolutely guarantee that no such dopey lockdowns take place later this year. Boost the hell out of those vulnerable people, too. That should be sufficient.

    What I absolutely don't want is a recrudescence of the NPHET organism later this year, with Holohan back on his high horse about how hospitals will struggle - when this was considered completely normal before COVID-19 ever emerged. We cannot allow ourselves to get into a very bad habit of locking down to some degree just because hospital capacity is strained. The cure to that is to increase hospital capacity, not to restrict society. Holohan would be far better equipped telling our so-called leaders that, rather than banging on about what has become nothing more than a common cold-like variant.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Israel ? Who is going to come up with the « This shows that the vaccines are working. » on this one...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    That might mean something if you didn't say it every year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    There is one thing as sure as sugar. Even long after NPHET are gone. Tony Holohan and Paul Reid will be calling for restrictions every winter. Reid especially. He has to appear to the HSE staff/middle management that he is trying to do something.

    Whoever the Taoiseach is will bring in some sort of non binding Restriction, again to appear like they are doing something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    Hi, this is over simplifying, based on the topic of the thread, however, the government, currently have emergency legislation that can and have removed our basic human rights..as dramatic as that sounds, it is fact, we understand as a nation, this was required for an emergency situation , a pandemic of a size that none of us have never lived through before and a government and health system that never had to navigate before.

    However, the power they have, was against allot of our basic rights as set out in our constitution as a democracy.. any changes in said constitution, is to be voted by the people, this was not done.. this emergency legislation can restrict our movements, can remove us from our home, can limit people we have in our home, can shut down whole sections of society, can cocoon people inside their homes, has made it illegal for large groups to gather, therefore protests of any kind, were illegal.. now no-one here think MM is sitting at home looking at people in masks, and rubbing his hands in glee, thinking they have 'controlled us' .but with the political unhappiness and lack of opposition here, its a very dangerous place to be, people could vote in a complete nutjob in the next election and that nutjob could abuse the 'emergency powers' even as simply not allow a peaceful protest to happen.

    We also know that these powers, while initially were needed, now are not so much, and we are saving the HSE and all it obvious failings, call me negative.. but wouldn't restrictions, effectively save more lives every year in general?? It would actually benefit the HSE if we werent all drunk in mass numbers every Christmas, hell it would probably benefit alot in society...but it is WRONG to do that and it is ILLEGAL in our constitution , so they have not done it before, but now they can.. I dont want periods of freedom- thats insane to think that could or would be ok.

    Just take one look at the laws being implemented across Europe, in what I always thought was a progressive, open and democratic body.. power tends to breed corruption, its human nature..

    This for alot of people is more that just masks, or early closing in a pub... there has been a precedent set here... and the fact that people are ok with that, its worrying in itself..

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,270 ✭✭✭Allinall


    If you keep saying it, it will definitely happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,788 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Varadkar thinks he can end the emergency legislation (effectively ending legal requirements for any restrictions) on the 31st of March

    So the real question is, will they call the variant to be discovered at the start of March Pi or Rho? My money is on Rho so they don't confuse it with the English word for the food stuff "pie"

    My prediction is that Rho will have about 40,000 infections, 50 ICU cases and about 1,000 hospital cases, 60% of which will be asymptomatic people with broken arms. Despite the effects Tony will throw the baby out with the bathwater again

    You read it here first



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭celt262


    OK so you think the Irish government are responsible for varients?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Captain Barnacles


    I see WHO boss is **** over the dangers of Omicron ... he just doesn't want it to end.

    A proper sociopathic evil evil man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    One thing that has constantly irritated me about the NPHET government:

    "Eamon Ryan said he did not believe the Government will decide to immediately remove some restrictions today and it is more likely that people will be given advance notice about any changes on Friday."

    Businesses absolutely need advance notice of closures because they have obligations to stakeholders that need to be considered.

    But they do not need advance notice of being allowed to reopen. Because anybody who is ready now can open now, and anybody who needs more time can just take more time.

    They are not the same scenario when it comes to the notice required. So why the **** do the NPHET government keep acting like they are!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    It is annoying to read March 31at as the end of restrictions and then they say "but masks and certs will continue and we can have emergency powers until the end of June"

    Why do masks and the certs have to stay? I just don't understand why this can't be a personal choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    You don't have a great record either.

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    You weren't the only one. Some even predicted a lockdown and said that if they were wrong they'd come back with their hands up and say so...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Captain Barnacles


    This is a huge concern, also was reading on RTE yesterday that they can extend the "emergency" till June and then AGAIN for another 6 months - "in case of a new severe variant of concern" - You can see the journalist crossing their fingers and saying PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE as they type that...


    So there will be new variants, an infinite amount of them, we still have variants of the Spanish flu - it's called a cold.

    So now everytime a new variant emerges it will be "prudent" to re introduce testing for travel, closing pubs at 8, certs , social distancing, masks etc....rinse .... and repeat ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,610 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    You know it isn't "de variants!" putting us under all these restrictions - its government who decide that (or NPHET)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It absolutely should be personal choice.

    Let people decide the level of risk they are willing to take on; and let society as a whole conclude that a certain number of deaths from this virus must be tolerated for society to function as normal - as we do with influenza on an annual basis.

    Certs are stupid in a highly vaccinated population. For international travel, I can sort of understand it, but not for domestic use.

    But masks, mandatory? No thanks. As I said, it's about time that society takes on these decisions and not Michael Martin or Tony Holohan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭The Davestator


    Have not heard that saying since the 90's - cheers for the smile this morning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Why would you agree with them for international travel?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's not that I agree with them, but let's say that you had a highly unvaccinated country that demanded that visitors were double vaccinated. That country may argue that such visitors can be deemed safe because they are unlikely to become severely ill - even if they catch it in their country. To that kind of end, I can understand it.

    I don't actively support it though. I think they're largely unnecessary in almost every other way.

    And in the domestic setting, especially in this country, COVID passes are absolutely stupid and wholly irrational and unnecessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Meh, I have a very good record and a lot of very clear and explicit posts over two years that gave my opinion on what was clearly going to happen, posts that subsequently were proven right despite all the abuse received in return. One example of hyperbole doesn't change that.

    Rest assured it would have been thrown in my face at every opportunity if that wasn't the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    But surely a vaccinated country would also not want unvaccinated becoming unwell in their country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    WHO statements are for the world and they recognise that it seems to be receding in some countries. That's not the end of it is all they are saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,746 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Do you not believe in vaccines?

    A rather anti vax position you have there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    I think for international travel all travellers should be tested regardless of vax status, I accept countries doing this as they don’t want to import cases and testing is the only way to be sure.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes, the WHO actually wants us (the West) to get on with « Living with Covid » and stop over-vaccinating out populations. Their main concern is for the vulnerable in the 3rd world who have little or no protection.

    They have been warning Western countries for while not to be so self-centred with vaccination (as we are with every other commodity we hoard for ourselves, so I suppose no surprise there)...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Makes travelling a bit of a gamble then.

    And if the country you're going to has heaps of Omicron, what's one more? :)



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