This whole cancel culture myth

The difference is that they all apologized for criticizing Israel. Natalie Portman is Israeli so it's a different situation. The reality is that if they didn't apologize, they would have been finished.

Surely the common term for describing the state of someone who allegedly falls “victim” to cancel culture is “cancelled”? I don’t get why you’d be denying that phrase. Or do you think they have been “cancel cultured”?

Surprised you’re not insisting on “a survivor of cancel culture”.

I think I’ll stick to the common term “cancelled” as a verb, and indeed an adjective, all the same.

This topic is bound to be mentioned in the same breath as the phrase cancel culture over the coming days.

For the record, even though many will try to spin it as such, this isn't them trying to cancel him, they said as much in that they are not calling for the removal of the podcast.

The crux of the debate in relation to Rogan is this, should someone be allowed to spread a narrative even though qualified people say that what they are doing is false, and harmful?

They definitely do need explaining. We have laws against inciting violence or people to commit crime and the reason for those laws is that they benefit of society.

Rogan, anyone else, broadcasting misinformation is or definitely has resulted in people dying. Why should that be acceptable? And as with the message from the experts, it isn't that people are saying he should be taken off the air, but that there should be aclear communication beside his show that the information is an opinion which is at odds with those of experts in the field.

It's not to silence Rogan, its to protect Rogan's listeners.

There's famous actors who can no longer get roles because the were accused of sexual harassment or bad behavior , maybe cos of accusations from the me too movement, I don't think mariyln Manson will be getting invited to many music festivals soon, you can get cancelled for sexist abusive behavior ,

Ellen's show is ending because the workers at the show were treated badly, eg take time off if you are sick you get fired there's loose rules of behavior in the TV industry most people are not in unions, this is true in the gaming industry too , Activision is being sued by the local government for sexist abusive behavior by managers towards women and ethnic minoritys you can get cancelled and simply no longer get offered roles in movies or TV shows its not a myth its not a legal process unless women come forward and accuse someone of real criminal behavior I think some actors are so rich and famous they assume they can have sex with any woman they meet. I'm surprise Mel Gibson was not cancelled he was caught on tape insulting jews and making awful comments about his wife.

Ellen will be fine she has millions she, ll probably go on an Oprah interview and say I'm sorry and in a few years act on shows as the good friend or small character parts.

Her persona is ver nice kind funny presentor but behind the scenes her staff were being treated badly

If you watch the cheer tv show on netflix about cheerleaders it turns out one of the main characters was accused of serious sexual harassment of young fans it was mentioned in the second series its not a surprise some rich famous people are sexist arrogant so and so, s in real life and this includes female or male actors I think it's up to the public too if people stop going to an actors films or watching them and other people dont, t work with them they are cancelled whether they committed a crime or not

I think woody Allen's career is over now since various revelations came out about his behavior towards younger women I think Prince Andrew is being cancelled he has no longer any military or royal dutys , bad joke, since he is an expensive legal battle in the USA facing serous accusations from a young women

He may be like the singer from the 80s

The man formerly know as prince .

Indeed. There's a big difference between trying to damage someone's careers because they said something that went against the social zeitgeist, and trying to stop them from spreading dangerous misinformation.

Since when did we start believing that experts never get anything wrong?

I think the approach with Rogan would need to be that experts are allowed to point out that they disagree with specific points being made.

It can't just be a blanket "experts disagree with him" as that's obviously just designed to discredit absolutely everything he says.

The people running CervicalCheck were all experts and one of those experts advised other experts not to tell women about their re-evaluated test results.

You are correct to expect Rogan to be subjected to some kind of checks and balances. You are wrong to assume that the experts are infallible.

I have a bit of time for Rogan and I like his podcast although I haven't listened to it in a while. He lets his guest speak, which is a lot more than can be said for regular late night interviewers on American TV. Plus, his guests aren't always there to merely hock their wares. He also has guests on that span various points of view too and more importantly there's an actual conversation being had.

I also actually like the fact that he can have someone like Alex Jones on his show, because that particular show did a lot to reveal just how batshit crazy Jones is.

I wouldn't be so quick to label Joe Rogan as a "grubby little grifting cultural parasite" though. I think he's just a bloke whose podcast became extremely popular. He may have been popular with the Alt right crowd in the beginning, but his own views alienated that crowd pretty quickly. They now consider him a "liberal". I remember a bit of a backlash because he agreed with Sanders on a number of issues when Bernie was on his show.

Cancel culture / wokeness are tools carried by the same cretins…a sort of modern day fascist social authoritarianism… no interest in democracy or any freedom of thought, expression… they attempt to shut down or cancel, they are happy with that but if they can’t achieve it successfully they like to damage their opponents…

Don’t have an interest in ‘debate’, reasoning or opposing…. Just bullying…

So this is a conversation where his position on something is shown to be wrong by someone who knows different. What's the problem here? At least it's a discussion.

Look I don't agree with Rogan's views on the likes of Ivermectin and all that jazz, but he certainly wasn't alone going down that particular rabbithole, especially in America where every Tom Dick and Harry has a POV on absolutely everything. But I also don't think he's just some liar either, because of his mistaken position on something at a given time.

At the same time, he's just a guy with a podcast having a conversation that you'd have down the boozer. He isn't the word of god or anything.

But my point still remains in that his show is an actual conversation where guests can and do challenge his views. Where one comes down of the points being raised, is up to them.

If you can't understand the difference between wanting bodily when it comes to reproductive rights versus potentially having a highly contagious and potentially fatal disease, I don't know what to tell you.

It's the same reason we have laws about drunk driving, because one individuals choice is also likely to impact others.

And as for your 'one side is arrogant and smug enough to think they are right', both sides are guilty of this. Look at the reaction to BLM protests at sports events, look at Trump trying to ban individual journalists or whole media organizations from asking questions at his press conferences. GB News cancelled a presenter who took the knee in solidarity with BLM. Conservative people have gone to quite extraordinary efforts to try silence Greta Thunberg with there even being two dedicated threads on this platform on which they ran the gamut of reasons why she should not being entertained in any way. Stop ignoring the fact that we see this happening everywhere, and have since day dot.

Maybe off topic, it's Been well proven vaccination works it was tested on 1000s of people the reason it was invented and produced so quickly is they use cloning cells biological 3d editing of cells and dna design techniques to make a vaccine similar to how you can use a 3d printer to make any shape if you have a blueprint of what you want to make. Of course if someone doesn't want to get vaxxed they have a serious risk of getting a deadly disease just going into a shop or buying coffee or living a normal life and of course you can pass it on to other people too

I don't even like Rogan, I think he is a fake and a damaging DMT-merchant. I don't trust him.

I think he should be allowed to speak if others are allowed to speak. Otherwise alternative views will still exist but in secrecy. Sounds like regression to a very rigid earlier society.

Why did CNN lie and say he taken a horse medicine when the same medicine has been prescribed for humans in billions of doses? How can these mainstream stations like CNN be the only source of info when anyone can see that they are liars?