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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    If this is the case and the HSE have cancelled appointments and operations because of this then their should be heads rolling in the HSE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,289 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    They always have been. It’s been called out here for nearly 2 years. People are only realising now because the MSM have said so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I think most people knew that was happening I was just curious to know if the person who has a broken wrist but tests positive for Covid without having symptoms was given any extra treatments. There are posters on here who have said these patients need to be treated differently and I was curious as to how, it seems the only difference is that the hospital staff have to wear more PPE. Its not like that person is kept in for longer once reason for them coming in has been treated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭brickster69


    England to scrap WFH and Covid passes from the end of January



    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭Quags


    The only difference is when it said before it was us damn "Conspiracy heads" who got told it was lies and not to believe anything but what the MSM tell us



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    What is bringing about the change in the MSM now? Is it because of the German and Danish papers printing an apology and they are trying to get out ahead of the backlash against them? Feargel Bowers over the last few weeks has put up a couple to tweets saying that he asked the question of the HSE and politicians all through this pandemic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,842 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Meanwhile Hong Kong is taking a very measured approach!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,842 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    They are counting as a covid case based merely on the presence of covid symptoms - not whether those covid symptoms has the person hospitalised.

    It's even beyond that. Asymptomatic patients in hospital for something else but who happen to have a positive test, are included in the Covid patient numbers also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,842 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    They know the game is up so they are positioning themselves on the other side of the fence now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭Quags


    They are trying to get ahead of what's coming, Other media starting to apologise for the way they went about it. I am not being dramatic but I hope RTE goes bust & they all lose their job along with most of the media who have piggybacked on the back of this namely Richard Chambers



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    For me I would prefer if the media just treated everyone with distrust and asked the hard questions of everyone be they in government, opposition or what ever. Sick of this pally crap that we get with everything prepared and people just quoting learned lines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭Quags


    You just need to look at Claire Byrne for e.g. that poor girl is going to be in for a shock when Covid is not newsworthy anymore. An absolute disgrace the way her and others have carried on. Everyone who gave a different opinion to what they thought was the right thing was discarded and treated like dirt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Covid Claire, as I call her, and Pat Kenny need to removed from their positions for their carry on during this. I see Donnelly is now looking for restrictions to go.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    What "shock" is she in for?

    She seems to get great ratings from here!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Never forget the poor bastard who worked for the HSE, who was hounded out of his job simply for questioning their approach. That was governmental Ireland, essentially saying "we're tyrants, no dissent allowed", and yet there was hardly a peep from any of our supposed betters. It was genuinely scandalous stuff, but it really shows us that a scandal is never a scandal, unless the media class want it to be one.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    That is the problem with a dichotomy. Some proposed elements from both are true or become true over time but will not be accepted by the other side. If you think that way you continue to be blind. Playing devil's advocate help here. Examine your own biases a healthy thing. My main questions are usually: what makes someone make a certain statement and where is it based on? What is the latest data? Multiple sources?. Just a little digging will usually reveal something pretty quick. 'Trust me im a doctor' is still a line i imagine to hear now and then..🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I can almost hear Stephen Donnelly saying that line "Trust me I'm a politician, I know what I am doing". 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,183 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Its been driven home a bit by MM tweet earlier that NPHET are actually making the decisions and they are hoepful of NPHET advising they lift restrictions

    Post edited by PTH2009 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    It’s great that the people who were shouted down, vilified and made to feel small and stupid for their convictions are now starting to be vindicated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I think the NPHET Government will remove "All Restrictions" but actually won't. They'll advertise it as that but there will be Restrictions going on in the background. They won't give in on masks, or the vaccine passports



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭MOH


    He must be getting worried about his Twitter mentions again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    If this is your mindset you're looking at the wrong enemy and part of the wrong conversation! That enemy would be a virus! Who cares who was right or wrong? It won't solve any future problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    I don't think they are being vindicated. The general consensus among media/government etc. seems to be that things have changed RIGHT NOW.

    The retrospective vindication will come with the retrospective assessment of the pandemic response and the recognition of all the facets of collateral damage that will come to light over years, and it will probably come long after those who currently hold positions of power and influence have moved out of the reach of any consequence.

    It's bittersweet, and the best possible outcome at this stage is a full condemnation of the West's strategy of importing a response from a genocidal authoritarian hellhole and completely abandoning every shred of scholarship in the fields of epidemiology and virology that took account of ethical and cultural considerations, so that it never happens again. Until that happens and it is recognised that abrogating rights by "emergency legislation" is an affront to Western liberal values, any "vindication" is hollow.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,216 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    You wish. She'll just carry on and never mention covid again.



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The argument is not with people who make well reasoned arguments it’s against those who arguments are based on repeated lies and misinformation, continually inventing imaginary things to get angry at. In 2020 the majority of anti restrictions posters were the former, now they are almost exclusively the latter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    What were incidental hospitalisations like in September 2020? Or March 2021? Or August 2021?

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    Quick question on the Recovery Certs: from what I can see, if you have symptoms of COVID-19 and are aged 4 to 39, you should use antigen tests. Do not book a PCR test.

    So if I was in this age bracket and not vaccinated.. but yet recovered from Covid, I cannot get a PCR test to confirm for the cert?! Is this another coercive tactic to avoid young people getting the passes through recovery? Its vaccinate or nothing for a cert? Surely this isnt inline with EU regulations?

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,040 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Was it? Stick up a few quotes sure. Shouldn't be hard to find.

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    An antigen done by e.g. a pharmacist will get you a recovery cert



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    Is that for travel purposes only and with a negative antigen, or has this changed? thank you

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



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