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This whole cancel culture myth

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Ah yes, the "1/10th reply" - It's where you lock in to one particular thing you can retort with, but not addressing other major keypoints. Ie, I asked if you had said anything you regret. Then gave random examples to illustrate a point and you focus in on the examples. It really feels like I am arguing with a child dude. You can do better like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    So you think he should have been fired and should never work in Hollywood again?



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,098 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I'm sure I have. Nothing racist or misogynist like he did and certainly nothing publicly under my own name. what you describe as cancelling it really him suffering the consequences of his own actions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,150 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    cancel culture doesn't exist because either they weren't really cancelled, or they got what they deserve....



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,865 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Like any actor it will depend if someone thinks he can bring more views to the table either through his name/looks or acting ability. I doubt it but I am no judge of acting talent.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Regarding Graham Linehan, here's a bit from his Wikipedia page about his relationship with both the BBC and Channel 4.

    In an interview in the Irish Independent that month, Linehan said his activism had cost him work; he ruled out working with Channel 4 in future as they would not return the controversial IT Crowd episode to broadcast, and he said he would not work with the BBC as they had depicted a transgender lesbian couple, which Linehan described as "a heterosexual couple", in a CBeebies video.

    The Indo article is behind a paywall, so I can't view it. However, taking the synopsis here in good faith, you have to ask: who's cancelling who? It seems he's boycotting two major broadcasters because their views don't align with his, not the other way round. His reasoning for not working with the BBC seems particularly petty and somewhat unhinged.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    I smiled when I saw the Pope's comments the other day, because I knew a load of people would be outraged again.

    Is it just me or is it kinda delicious seeing the woke being outraged by someone who couldn't give a f**k what they think?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,037 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    So called “hate speech” constantly expands the excuse for censorship as the definition gets longer by the day. 



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,098 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Nobody.

    The posters who are pro-cancel culture are claiming that cancel culture doesn't exist for some reason. A bold move.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,098 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    yeah, i'll wait for the poster I asked to answer. they seem to think people were outraged. I'm curious who they were referring to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭growleaves




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Before Covid our company went around with some kind of badge and left one on everyones desk.

    I dont even remember what the badge was for, but i just left it on my desk. I never wear badges, even those stickers you get when you donate to a charity. I just dont feel i need to advertise my generosity or even to wear a badge to show my support for anything. If i support it i support it and if i dont i dont. Noone needs to know one way or the other.

    So anyway, up the hr i went and got quizzed on why i wasnt wearing a badge. I said i dont wear badges. And what is going on in my head is no concern of theirs. It was assumed that me not wearing said badge advertised my support of the opposite of whatever the badge was for. Which is a just plain stupid assumption.

    20 minutes of a lecture from them that everyone is expected to wear this badge and it was home time. So i just went home and heard nothing since. But if they hand a badge again the same thing will happen.

    Its like the poppy in the UK. Not wearing it now is seen some sort of sleight on war heroes. Wear it if you want and dont wear it if you dont want to. It doesnt mean anything about your support or otherwise if you wear it. All it means now is just that you are afraid not to wear it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa




  • Registered Users Posts: 89 ✭✭BringingSexyBack


    Is the serious and concerted attempt to get people banned and "cancelled" not enough ?

    Those involved in the blatant racism and criminal (sexual assault rape and worse) I can understand when it comes to "they got what they deserve"


    But note the Dave Chappelle Netflix chaos and his declaration about being on Team Terf. He did NOT make any insulting statement nor even tried to incite hatred , during his The Closer show. Groups like  National Black Justice Coalition went to great lengths to campaign to Netflix to take down his material from their services and directly apologise to the Trans community. A crowd in the hundreds, including a group of Netflix employees, protested against Chappelle’s comments and demanded Netflix take action to support the LGBTQ+ community.

    A person known as Jaclyn Moore, of the Dear White People show (what an arrogant , self righteous and pretentious name for a show) stated that she would not work with Netflix if Chappell was around (I won't call that as an example of cancellation - she is free to associate with who she wants) Despite Chappell being very careful in what he said on that show , JC distorting claimed that Netflix sough to "profit from blatantly and dangerously transphobic content”." ie pointing out the stupidity of their arguments ? really?

    If Chappell was not a proven money earner and if the powers that be probably realised the nonsense of this protest, Netflix would probably have bended to the demand to cancel him. Frankly, the stars (none of whom would be missed if they fell off the face of the earth tomorrow) and staff who protested, weren't as big as Chappelle or Netflix , that was another reason why they got shooed away

    JK Rowling was definitely cancelled!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    I'll give you another one.

    My sister had just had a baby and was breastfeeding her. She did this in a quiet corner or a private room when she needed to.

    I was in the house when a woman who she knew but was not friends with called to the house.

    She walked in like she owned the place and said (i sh!t you not) - "Come on get your coat. We are going to go down to the cafe in the middle of the local shopping center and you can breastfeed. Noone is going to prevent you doing what mother nature intended"

    My sister said hey whats going on here.

    The woman proceeded to tell her that a couple of other parents had told her that my sister was hy about breast feeding in public. And it was societies fault and now she was going to rectify it. My sister held the door open and told her to gtfo of the house. And as she was leaving my sister said its not up to you or anyone else to tell me i need to be comfortable getting my tits out in front of the all the people in the town who I know, including the kids and even the local football team who she is the secretary for. Please allow me to show my tits to who i want to and to not show them to who i dont want to, now fcuk off and save some other gobsh!te.

    I actually held the door open for her. We were laughing for hours after it.

    But a couple of women have never spoken to my sister after that. All very good mates with yer wan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    A crowd of ghouls on twitter and in comments sections of some articles about it. Tbh very few people really were, but I found it surprisingly pleasing seeing some of the reaction.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,197 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    And that's part of why "cancel culture" exists. There'll be a few people complaining about something on Twitter, then news sites will run articles about "OUTRAGE on Twitter over XXXXX..." while taking things out of context, leading to further outrage from people who might not have even seen/heard the original content, leading to news sites to run more articles about responses to the "outrage" etc.... and on and on it goes.

    A lot of the time, there's very minor levels of criticism and these things would likely very quickly fizzle out. But Twitter and news sites perpetuate the outrage machine for content and too many people are very quickly taken in by it because they then think that they should be outraged over it.

    Cancel culture when it comes to fairly minor things is caused by social media, but not always by people on social media, but rather organisations on social media because they can generate content from it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,098 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    JK Rowling is doing pretty good for someone who is cancelled. 2 books that topped best seller lists for a few weeks both with good sales (both 2020) and very active on twitter. Yes it is odd she was not on a tv show but a program can do what they want. The only ones I had a problem were the ones attempting to rename Quittach



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,552 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    Cancelling someone like JK Rowling is very difficult. That it's only been partially successful doesn't mean it wasn't happening. Death threats, rape threats, posting her address publicly, dropping porn into the Ickabog twitter threads, pushing colleagues to disown her, etc. Part of the point of the attacks on her is to show other people who don't have the legal or financial power to protect themselves, what will happen to them if they step out of line.


    It's one of the reasons why "cancel culture" goes beyond "I don't agree with this person" into "this person's not allowed to disagree with me, and neither should you if you know what's good for you."



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Both sides are well able to use the I can say what I am allowed to say and you can not disagree with me card. People are awful on twitter or facebook and that happens in many different ways. Alex Jones and his followers used that in there campaign against the so called fake shootings. So don't for one minute think it proves canceling. Plus I see you are moving away from saying JK Rowling was cancelled after saying in you initially post I quoted saying JK Rowling was definitely cancelled



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭growleaves



    Ok so who did JK Rowling cancel? Since both sides - JK Rowling's enemies and JK Rowling, those are the sides right? - are well able to to use the 'you cannot disagree with me' card.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,552 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    I am not entirely sure what "after saying in you initially post I quoted saying JK Rowling was definitely cancelled" means, but the only post *of mine* that you have quoted is the one in which I said that the cancellation was only partially successful, so perhaps you're getting confused.


    Rowling has been the target of several years of attacks, which like all similar attacks have also been directed at people around her, in order to turn them against her.

    In a remarkable reversal, the group of people who *checks notes* dumped porn images into a twitter thread where she was giving away a free book to small children during lockdown one chapter at a time ... are the same group of people calling her an unsavoury character, and quite often getting away with it. Cancel culture is definitely a real thing, and it was definitely directed at her in an attempt to ostracise her, remove her from her creative endeavours, financially hurt her, and get her to obsequiously submit to do whatever they want. Again, part of the point of that is to show others "if we can do this to someone like her, you better stay quiet or you'll get it worse."



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Where did I say she canceled anyone my point is no one is cancelled people can choose not to work or listen to them my whole point was there is no cancel culture in my opinion. By sides I mean people who disagree with anything twitter and facebook are a cesspit for the extremes of every side. JK Rowling has not been canceled people don't have to have her on anything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭growleaves


    As I said upthread some celebrities like Morrissey, Dave Chappelle and JK Rowling are 'too big to cancel'. Many people with less money and influence could and have been driven out of their jobs and out of public life.

    This whole thread is framed in a dishonest way. All the posters who support viscious witch-hunts gainst people also lyingly claim that they don't happen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Deleted as wrong quoted



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭martingriff



    I apologies @Slutmonkey57b I thought you were someone else in relation to the JK Rowling cancelled comment my bad. In relation to those people who were doing those things to JK Rowling they are the lowest of the low so if that was cancel culture can we say what Alex Jones and his followers were doing to the family of murdered kids was cancelled culture as there was a lot of the same thing. People are going to say whatever the hell they want especially if they are behind a keyboard or back by a mob. It is the price we pay for having social media BUT IT IS NOT CANCEL CULTURE its people been bullies and has been happening since time began it just looks more widespread now as it can be seen in an instant. Are movie, book, poetry, cookery or game critics now to be vilified as they are trying to destroy peoples livelyhoods with what they say



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    You make it sound like this is a new phenomenon people will always go against people they do not like and some are scum at it especially is they are behind a computer or have a crowd jeering them on it is nothing new.



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  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    anyway, I see the Oscars might have a presenter again, a few years after they stopped doing that. You remember, it was when when Kevin Hart wasn't cancelled because cancel culture is a figment of the imagination



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