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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭redlad12


    Out of interest do you think the unvaccinated are entitled to covid related hospital care as much as the vaccinated? They legally are. Do you think morally they are?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Smokers, drinkers, obese people, drug users, cyclists, motorcyclists, sportspeople, the homeless, etc are also a risk to the unvaccinated as they could wind up in the ICU causing you to have to delay your fcuking ingrown toenail operation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    You're the one who brought up how the unvaccinated are a threat to the vaccinated and when I questioned this you say I'm engaging in CY's?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭jj880


    "My agent sincerely apologises for ticking the wrong box on my declaration form!" 🤣🤣🤣

    Twas a slip of the pen your honour!! Ffs give over will ye.

    Also today he changed the date he knew he was positive from 16th to 17th Dec as children were involved when he was out and about on the 16th.

    Whole thing is farcical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,143 ✭✭✭sporina


    no its not - its fact.. 50% of those with covid in hospital here are from the less than 6% of the population.. ie: 200,000 non vaccinated.... which has led to the HSE being overburdened.. so lots of patients have had their treatments/procedures cancelled.. you need to be able to see the bigger picture.. do the maths!



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  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Couldn't governments just come out and say "this covid is some bad sh!t. We recommend you get a vaccine" and leave it at that?

    And, what, completely ignore the hundreds of highly infectious patients clogging up the hospitals? Just let the virus run rampant through the populace and see what happens? If it is this bad given the level of restrictions in place, how much worse would it be, if there were none?

    The rest of your post just smacks of selfishness. "It's not MY fault that I won't get vaccinated and you can't have your operation, it's the Gubbermint's fault for trying to protect our health service". The sheer egotism at play here is astonishing. You're asking them to ignore the greatest health crisis the world has seen in 100 years, to just carry on regardless.



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Smokers, drinkers etc. weren't clogging up the hospitals and ICU wards. All of their ailments/conditions aren't contagious, so don't require the same levels of shutdown that Covid does. All of their ailments don't transfer to their nurses, meaning the hospital resources are stretched even further. Your ingrown toenail operation won't be cancelled if a load of sportspeople show up to the hospital, however if a load of unvaxed folks do, then the likelihood of these minor operations (along with plenty of major ones, being postponed increases greatly, yes.

    You knew all this already, though. You're floundering because you've decided to pin your colours to a rich, selfish nutjob and whaddya know? Turns out he really is a rich, selfish nutjob and you look like a fool for supporting him and his crusade to circumvent the rules and regulations in place to protect everyone. What a coincidence!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭jj880


    😂😂😂 This loon trying to associate herself with Djokovic. He'll be delighted with that I'm sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Can I answer that question

    Hospitals first came about in the early middle ages when Christianity became ascendant, as healing the sick was a command.

    They were based on charity and mercy and are still named after Christian saints

    They weren't/aren't a tool of social conformity or a reward for good behaviour.

    What's moral is treating everyone. No one has ceded their right to treatment "morally" because they didn't agree to one medical procedure previously.

    We don't divide people up into categories when it comes to human life.

    The vac vs. unvac is mainly a political struggle playing out in law and media.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Would you reckon you are better off getting vaccinated than not ?

    I damn well know that.

    Why not look up the history of Croatia and Serbia ?

    Then look up how in 2007 Croats and Serbs attacked each other at the Australian Open.

    And yes it was what some would call a riot, unless you think attacking each other with flag poles was some kind of friendly neighbourly Balkan ritual.


    The look up how in 2009 Bosnians and Serbs went at each other at the Australian Open.

    They engaged in chair throwing contest. Must be another Balkan tradition.


    I never said fit people are more susceptible or at greater risk.

    My point was that someone reasonably young and healthy, who happened to be a complete denier, caught covid and died.

    Oh and valuable resources were wasted on them, when someone who did their best to behave probably went without.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    If you are asking who is morally more entitled to hospital treatment then I would question your moral compass. The irony of people deriding Djokovic abd then maintaining that they themselves are more entitled to hospital treatment than others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    @jmayo Either somebody did or did not 'go without'. Not all standard hospital treatment is a zero-sum triage situation.

    No resources were 'wasted' on treating a sick person.

    Didn't you say upthread you hoped unvax'd people would be 'cleansed from the gene pool'? So I'm hardly going to take anything you say seriously. You are an emotional ranter, not a serious commentator.

    Finally, 43 years isn't that young it's middle-aged and it was the best the media could come up with for their 'fit young person' angle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭bertiebomber


    Do be do be do

    Post edited by bertiebomber on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭moritz1234


    It's pretty obvious by now that the positive test was faked (with official help), but not covered up properly.

    Admitting going out while positive as an "error of judgment" was a move to use the lesser of two evils and an attempt to move along.


    A false Travel Declaration cannot be overlooked though - he is responsible. H



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,537 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Hospitals in Europe were more like we call a hospice now and it was the Muslims during the crusades who gave us the idea of hospitals as treatment centers where you could leave cured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    That smokers and drinkers and drugs users aren't contagious is not the point. People are trying to maintain that the unvaccinated are selfish because they took a course of action that led them to require medical attention. Smoker, drinkers, obese people fall into the same category. Effectively you are saying the unvaccinated are to blame for needing hospital treatment (some are trying to saying they shouldn't get treatment). Smokers are also to blame if they require treatment for respiratory ailments, drinkers likewise for organ problems, etc. Then you try and shift the bloody goalposts are bang on about numbers.

    The bottom line is that you don't like if people don't go with the flow like you do because it reminds you that you just might have less independence of thought than others and that pisses you the fcuk off. So you attack them with whatever flimsy argument you can muster. You don't care about the hospital numbers. You are just furious that you march in lockstep and others don't. I coughed in the street and some old fool acted up about me not coughing into my elbow as if he had a clue what the hell he was talking about. This brainwashed asshole just did what he was told no matter how inane and pointless it was and when he saw others not blindly following the same stupid steps that he so slavishly adhered to he came the heavy. I told the clown to go fcuk himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,732 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Hyperbolic nonsense...I have no idea where people get this bizarre crap from...then you posted a link to that blog...it explains a lot.


    Back on topic.

    Djokovic isn't vaccinated grand his choice.

    He luckily (for his entry to Australia) got covid. He tested positive....but then didn't self isolate, not a great look imo but hey. Up to Serbia to deal with that.

    He/his agent lied on an entry form to Australia about his travel before coming into the country.

    Those are the facts. By the Australians own rules he should be turfed out. But his lawyers will likely attempt to bury any attempt to do that.

    Your bizarre rant isn't relevant at all the above are the facts as he has admitted himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    People healed the sick to the best of their ability as that is what they were enjoined to do by Christ's message. While Muslims may have had better treatments I don't doubt it. David Bentley Hart historian wrote about this, and life expectancy increased in early Europe so those early Christians must have had some effectiveness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    That's hilarious. A blog calling itself "Unreported Truths" basing an article on a press release from the WHO that has been covered in all media. "Unreported" indeed!

    And as for "truth", lets see...

    Based entirety on the single quote "a vaccination strategy based on repeated booster doses of the original vaccine composition is unlikely to be appropriate or sustainable.", you claim that the WHO is saying that vaccines don't work. Cased closed! We can now 100% believe the organisation that have been lying to us all along.

    But hang on... what's that little qualifier in the quote? "of the original vaccine composition"? Let me read a little more of the actual press release, which the blog (or you) doesn't bother linking to (wonder why - it's almost as if you/they don't actually want us to know what the WHO really said).

    Oh, it's actually making the very logical point that vaccines need to be tweaked and reformulated for new variants in order to remain effective. Rather like the very successful flu vaccination effort that has been going on globally for years. Wow, that's quite a different story to your take on things isn't it?

    You might want to up your critical appraisal skills there, B. They've been found lacking.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo



    As for fit young people who have caught covid and being pretty unwell what about Bayern Munich's unvaccinated 26 year old star midfielder Joshua Kimmich who had been out of football since November and only went back to traininig a week ago due to severe problems ?

    Juve's 26 year old Paulo Dybala from Argentina also stated he had bad experience with covid and was out from mid March until May in 2020.

    He still claimed he was not right in early June.


    Resources are not infinite, ICU beds are not infinite.

    Resources are often wasted when they have to be applied to someone who could have prevented the need in the first place.

    And no I am not talking about motorbike accident victims or some such.

    Resources are wasted, or were pre pandemic every fooking weekend in Irish hospitals treating drunks who not alone tied up staff, but worse still often made A&Es warzones.


    A famous example of the greatest waste of hospital resources was George Best.

    Someone else compatible might have done with that liver, but no it was given to old George who drank himself to death.


    BTW also see my earlier post re riots at Australian Open.

    Now I have better things to do than argue with such a serious commentator as yourself. 😏

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Yes why do posters constantly say that the unvax 'take up beds' then when you mention other people who take up beds then they pivot to something about contagion.

    The issue of severe disease and spread are confused together, then de-linked from each other when convenient. Then re-linked when challenged etc., etc.

    Omicron spreads to everyone since it is so transmissible.

    Lots of people 'take up' hospital beds. We could try eliminate obesity and cholesterol + inflammation with a countrywide campaign but won't cause it's too much hassle.



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No, sorry, you don't seem to understand what the point being made is.

    People are clogging up hospitals to the point where other, non-life threatening procedures are being cancelled. Why are they being cancelled? Because the hospitals are full of people with an infectious disease so they can't risk mixing covid patients with non-covid patients.

    People are trying to maintain that the unvaccinated are selfish because they took a course of action that led them to require medical attention. Smoker, drinkers, obese people fall into the same category.

    People are trying to maintain that the unvaccinated are selfish because they took a course of action that led them to require medical attention, to the point where all other medical procedures have to be cancelled due to the risk posed by covid, which is one of the most transmissible disease we've encountered in the history of this country. Smoker, drinkers, obese people DO NOT fall into the same category. If they did, they'd have been clogging up the hospitals pre-Covid, which they weren't, ergo they don't. Simple enough for you?

    The bottom line is that you don't like if people don't go with the flow like you do because......

    Pure, undulterated fantsy. What colour is the sky in the world in which you live where you see a couple of points on an internet message board and think "yeah, I've got you pegged pal, you hate the non-conformists cos you're too much of a bootlicker and can't stand us free spirits". Walter Mitty, is that you?

    I coughed in the street and some old fool acted up about me not coughing into my elbow as if he had a clue what the hell he was talking about. This brainwashed asshole just did what he was told no matter how inane and pointless it was and when he saw others not blindly following the same stupid steps that he so slavishly adhered to he came the heavy. I told the clown to go fcuk himself.

    Wow, you coughed beside an old man, during a pandemic, potentially causing him a life-threatening illness, because you were too selfish to keep your germs to yourself, and your reaction to him raising this issue was to tell him to gofcuk himself? Check out the balls on this guy, what's your next move? Gonna spit in a kids face when they wear a mask in front of you? Big man like ya.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    'Now I have better things to do than argue with such a serious commentator as yourself. 😏'

    Haha. Made me chuckle fair play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,537 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think what all this boils down to is not vaccinated people angry because it has shown up their lack of independent thought.

    What it really is is the seething anger of the non vaccinated and conspiracy theorists who when finally given their long awaited chance to energize the "silent majority" failed miserably. The shock and anger that there in fact is no silent majority. This unhinged anger can be seen all over Boards any time something like this comes up.

    In fairness to most people who said Djokovic done nothing wrong have since said they were wrong or just silently stopped backing him now that he has admitted fault. Some though don't care about facts and continue this holy war of theirs



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What's moral is treating everyone. No one has ceded their right to treatment "morally" because they didn't agree to one medical procedure previously. We don't divide people up into categories when it comes to human life.

    We do.

    Liver transplant candidates get bumped if they are found to be drinking. People have, rightly or wrongly, been refused lung transplants because they continued to smoke. Fat people cannot undergo certain types of surgery depending upon their weight loss etc. though this is mostly to ensure that they can go under anaesthethic, usually. In certain countries, you cannot get a donor organ if you yourself aren't a donor yourself (or donors get preferential treatment ahead of you)....etc.

    People cede their rights to medical treatment for moral reasons all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    In this thread the explosions of anger and profanity have been all on the pro-vax side.

    While it's true some unvac conspiracy theorists can be angry, anti-social people, I'm not seeing a lot of restraint on boards from the average vaccinated poster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Two very important figures that the Covid statistics team refuse to give us

    1. In hospital/ICU because of covid or in hospital/ICU and just so happen to be covid positive
    2. How many in ICU are vaccinated and how many are unvaccinated

    Until they furnish us with these two very simple statistics your shaming tactics (i.e antivaxxers cancelling procedures) will remain useless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,537 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Assuming Boards is a decent barometer of Irish society then 95% of Boardsies are vaccinated so your average poster/vaccinated person doesn't give a sht about threads like this.

    The unvaccinated remind me of that old vegan joke.

    How do you know someone is unvaccinated ?

    They tell you



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    That is in zero-sum cases though where there are more eligible people. If there were one liver available and one 'undeserving' drunk we would give it to him, not withhold it to 'teach him a lesson'.

    Finally, not undergoing a specific medical procedure is itself an informed health decision - not a moral failing.

    Djokovic has done nothing wrong by refusing to get vaccinated, esp since he already had covid. He is attempting to dodge potential side effects. Now that he's had covid twice he basically has no reason to get vaccinated except social pressure and cumbersome rules.



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