Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Well, vaccines do reduce transmission (that seems to be one of the most repeated wrong/alternative facts on this thread, so not surprised to see other posters parrot it), the main reason for the certs is to keep the unvaccinated away from locations where they are likely to get infected and end up hospitalised and that worked pretty well for Delta.

With Omicron, all that maths changes and the certs shouldn't be needed anymore internally, the hospitalisation risk seems to be substantially lower and if the current wave abates, there's no reason they need to be kept.

But, what needs to be watched is economics, it was posted a few pages ago, but it's cheaper to run a vaccinated population, cost of care is less, less health capacity needed, that may be one of the main future drivers of policy, also with 94% vaccinated and a crazy high uptake in teenagers (will see if children get above 50%) none of the parties really need to care about votes from the disaffected, it's not as big an issue and doesn't impact as many as things like water charges did. A single issue candidate in the USA might make some hay with it (but the GOP have it locked in over there) in Ireland, people want roads and hospitals and low taxes.

Per Darconio, the EU has a multi year agreement with multiple vaccine companies, they don't plan to be surprised by a new virus in the future, the contracts have the option not to be taken up, but unless there's a drastic change, there will be annual boosters, the vulnerable might even get it twice a year.

And Foxsake had such a reasonable post until the veil slipped about the vaccine changing the body (which is true as it aids the immune system to learn about a new virus, but I would win a bet that you think it's something more nefarious than that despite all evidence to the contrary).

NPHET will see this and want us to wait the period out regarding restrictions

in addition to growleaves post , the right to travel. the 5k and 4k fine for leaving the state without due reason and all that.

The notion that one must obtain the approval of a garda on their comings and goings outside of the home.

all that jazz.

you spent a life time arguing on the definition of lockdown so no doubt you'll argue no human rights were harmed during the experiment.

But it is what it is

also let us not forget the idea was floated that the garda were to be allowed enter a home to count the occupants.

or national hero Senator Ollie Crowe who wanted the army on the streets.

Sure they didn't actually happen and Thankfully we didn't go full retard

but best always keep it in mind.

That's unfair comment.

I clearly said that is neither good nor bad - I was clear not to pass judgement on the vaccine being good or bad.

my words

I've been frank in saying everybody who wants to take it should. I do have misgiving about the long term implications but so do my peers who rushed to take it. The risk/reward ratio etc..

It was a reasonable point.

last year I was getting annoyed on their behalf, they dont seem to care so why should I? at least there were a few bolshi gym owners that put up a bit of a protest.

Restrictions on large scale outdoor events in Scotland being lifted from Monday. Soccer and rugby fans back to full stadia again.

Varadkar in there going on about a phased reopening.

Maybe we can save the August BH weekend. 🤞🏻

Great isn't it and meanwhile here it's a straight no to early lifting

Imagine the support the Irish Government would get back if they called an Emergency meeting to look at the immediate lifting of restrictions

Interesting that way down in the article, Scotland with lots of restrictions has higher cases (population wise) than England.

Well, well, well.....

That's a bit...vague. Is it against human rights? ...or simply 'rights'?

Not really reasonable as again, you're casting dispersions, just now you'll slip it in hoping you won't have to back any of it up as it quickly gets revealed as pseudo-science nonsense.

What are your peers saying?

I don't like the sound of "Summer of Freedom 2023" - presume it's a misprint.

That was a dark time. I remember I was out on a cycle that morning and seen Garda stopping a bus to check people's papers, to make sure none of them are protesters. That type of stuff should never be forgotten.