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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    But they did question it in the end.

    I mean, if the plan is to fake a positive result, then it's something you've thought of in advance, and the deadline was no secret, so why not just do it before the deadline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    Why don’t you ask Djokovic? What happened is what happened, speculating about his motivation is just a big jerk off.



  • Posts: 15,777 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There was another really high profile athlete involved with sponsorship from their national postal service, wonder how that ended??? 🚲️ 🎾

    And also had a foundation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    But we don't know what happened. We have people speculating that he faked a positive test, we have speculation that he was taking multiple tests hoping for a false postitive, we have speculation that he was positive and out and about at events.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    We do know what happened. He tested positive for Covid the day before he was photographed making a public appearance and again nine days before his 14-day quarantine ended. He’s taking the piss regarding covid laws.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,762 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Yes but the questioners had public opinion and an upcoming election to deal with, which i don't think he had taken into account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,927 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You made claims that the Australian government made up stories about Djolovic and I asked you to proved that these stories have been debunked which you have not done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Cool story bro - you got his number then?

    This is a place for debate or didn’t you know?



  • Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I did.

    you just said I didn't.

    I don't really give a sh1t mate if you keep saying I didn't

    he's stopped in the airport the story is put out about a visa error - that can obviously only come from the border force / australians

    Barnaby joyce said he lied

    it was reported that he didn't provide evidence of a recent covid infection but he has a positive covid test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    Yeah and we’re debating whether Djokovic falsified his covid test result so he could play in the Australian Open or he willingly socialised with children after he tested positive for a covid test. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming the former. What a scumbag.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,927 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    And where's your proof that Barnaby whatever his name is lied? You just put up ridic stuff. Have you a link to where it's been debunked by a reputable source?

    Have you proof that he had COVID?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,043 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    On a slightly lighter note… he’ll go down in history as the first tennis player to be knocked out of Wimbledon only missing two shots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Mrcaramelchoc


    I really hope he doesn't get away with this and is refused entry into the country and the tournament.

    He has quite obviously been proved an anti vaxer and a person who only gives a toss about himself.i wonder how many places and events he went to knowing he was positive.

    What a langer.

    And as for his family. Talk about a traveling sideshow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    So does that you mean you don’t have his number?



  • Posts: 124 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think the Australian government have shot themselves in the foot by this unsuccessful delay application.

    They know they are going to fail and are getting desperate. It shows that their actions are not about rule following but intimidation of people with different beliefs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Capra


    Your data is out of date....are you still trying to claim vaccines May prevent infection like the early studies were showing? Why do people insist on using out of date data just to support their own agenda? I suggest you look t the data from the latest study on this published in Nature journal.



    If you are male and under 40 then the risk is significantly higher for myocarditis from the vaccine (Moderna in particular) than it is from Covid and the risk goes up for every booster you get. According to that study the risk of myocarditis for men aged 16-40 is over 100/100,000 cases aka 1 in a 1000. And that is probably far higher again for under 25s. And that is just what's being reported by doctors.

    I just think it's mad the way people like you won't actually read any of the details about how the trials were carried out. Unblinding participants in a supposedly double blind study, ignoring and misreporting severe adverse side effects in 1 of only 1152 children in the trial. Google Maddie De Garay and her mothers testimony about her immediate reaction to the vaccine and how it was reported as an upset stomach when she now has a feeding tube and uses a wheelchair. And if you think she and her mum are anti vaxxers then why would they have signed up to take part in one of the initial trials for a vaccine?

    There is a well known cycling athlete who has had to give up his sport and has documented his after effects on his Instagram channel. Another vaccine early adopter as he wasn't an at risk patient and his doctors tried to tell him he was having a psychotic episode when he came forward with his problems. He was eventually diagnosed with myocarditis and pericarditis but it took multiple hospital visits before they would acknowledge that it was even remotely related to the vaccine.....despite his symptoms, which were almost identical to Maddie De Garays, occurring almost immediately after the 2nd dose. Both pfizer. Some people just do not want to hear of any cases of the vaccine being dangerous or having side effects. The vitriol he has faced since he came out about it is shocking. He went off social media a few months ago as he was having a breakdown from the vaccine fascists claiming he was a liar. The poor guy genuinely looked and sounded suicidal when he clearly didn't have an agenda. Even after his side effects he wasn't anti vax, he just wanted people to be aware the vaccine is not risk free. His career as a professional athlete now appears to be over.


    I'm a relatively high level amateur athlete under the age of 40. I think I'd have to have been dense to expose myself to a vaccine which we can clearly see has more side effects than was initially claimed. As far as I've heard Moderna is all that's being offered as a booster so why would I want a vaccine than has a 1 in 1000 chance of giving me myocarditis amongst a whole host of other possible side effects. I've managed to not contract symptomatic covid in 2 years of a pandemic or more likely I've had it and not displayed symptoms. Not everyone is as unhealthy and careless about their health as the average boards scribe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    Did you read the conclusion of your own study 😂 Obviously not. Cherry picking key parts of the text! I have enclosed the conclusion just in case.

    I know at least a half-dozen people with long-Covid, who have not been able to work because of the effects of their illness. They cannot walk more than a meter or two. Yes, they are young. And yes, they were healthy. Try run a marathon when you cannot walk a few steps.

    There is not some global cover up. People your age have died (look up the HSPCC data) from Covid. We have a pandemic. The vaccine is the best thing we have to combat this virus.

    the people dismissing it as a cold have obviously never lost somebody to Covid.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Capra


    Where the hell re you getting that 1/1000 stat? Even the UK government Covid website says the official estimate is somewhere between 0.84 and 4.3%.

    Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/falsepositivityrateofthecovid19pcrtest

    A published study last year in the NCBI journal found that up to 22% of PCR tests were false positives although there are serious caveats to this study as they admit themselves. False positives are particularly likely in people who have previously been infected with covid. False negatives are also a major issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    The microbiologists have a way of looking at the PCR and telling if it is a previous infection or current infection



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,741 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I kind of guessed it would be some random YouTube doctor. I am sorry I just dont respect that guys opinion. His graphs are suitably blurry. You are cherry picking figures as is that Dr Prasad. The conclusion above...from that study you left out...what a shock

    That doc has said crazy things in the past. Maybe bare that in mind.

    "In October 2021, Prasad prompted social media controversy when he published a blog post comparing the U.S. COVID-19 pandemic response to the beginnings of Hitler's Third Reich."


    You also heard wrong...Moderna is 100 percent not the only booster on offer. I got Pfizer and most people I know got it as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Capra


    Me cherry picking? That's pretty comical. You have selected the conclusion which refers to the population at large while ignoring the table showing the increased risk of myocarditis in young men under 40.


    Yes, some people my age have died of Covid. Every single one of them has had severe underlying medical conditions. I know people love breaking things down simply by age as if that is some unifying metric. Only 30% of people my age in this country are normal weight, 24% are obese and 42% are overweight. Just because I'm in the same age bracket as someone doesn't mean I have anything in common with them in terms of health or fitness. I've more in common with a healthy 20 year old than an obese 35 year old and my risk profile is nothing like the obese person's.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    Actually, if you read the text, they still state that your (male <40) risk of myocarditis is higher with an acute infection. And on top of that, C19 can cause absent smell, long Covid, strokes, clots in general. Overall, the benefit of the vaccine is FAR FAR greater.

    Do you drink? If you do drink, this is considered a Co-morbidity. Smoker- comorbidity. 1/4 of Irish people are harmful drinkers- this is a big comorbidity. 1/3 of Irish people are obese- this is a big comorbidity. Take the old puff of an inhaler- this is a big comorbidity. Take tablets for any health issue- this is a comorbidity. Don’t believe me, Google the ASA classification and check it out. And then find me an Irish person that is healthy. People think that they are healthy. But a lot of reason would be deemed as having a comorbidity and don’t even realise it. It is a classic bias



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Lots of animosity in the media for Djokovic on the assumption that he was breaking the rules. In fact, he applied for, and was granted, a visa and an exemption by the Australian authorities. They changed their minds when he arrived because there was a popular backlash. This mess is on the Aussie authorities, though it’s hard to say who is most to blame - the tournament organisers, the State authorities or the Feds.

    Djokovic did an Insta about his trip which provoked a backlash but he wasn’t out to promote anti-vaxxers. I notice a Czech woman player is in the same position but gets no criticism.



  • Posts: 19,205 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Have you heard of "long covid" or are you one of those "long covid is a myth" and/or "long covid doesn't affect" fit people (both of which is not true)

    the vaccine reduces your chance of getting long covid (this is proven)

    do you not know anyone with long covid?

    your odds of getting long Covid are much higher than a potential mild case of myocarditis.

    I know someone under 40 who got a "mild" covid case and has been suffering from chronic fatigue for over a year now - fit regular-gym-going male with good bmi, no underlying illness.

    can't do any sport at all now - in fact that's the least of his worries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx



    1/3 who had Covid 19 infection had 1 symptom of Covid more than 12 weeks. 1/5 had 3 or more symptoms of Covid more than 12 weeks later.

    of those people who had symptoms at 12 weeks, 1/3 of those people reported that it had a significant impact on their daily life.

    long Covid is terrible!!! And it is a common risk of C19 infection



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    So, Djokovic applied for the exemption on the basis that he had C19. The Aussies said that he has a positive PCR result which was published on the 16/12. Now, there are photos of him mingling without a mask or social distancing with kids and other people on the 17/12. People want answers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    The thing that scares me most about Covid is the memory problems and brain fog. This can ruin people’s ability to go about their daily lives

    i really feel for the poor people with long Covid!!!

    There was a survey (LongCovidSOS), that found that the vaccine helped to reduce the long Covid in some patients afflicted with it. Furthermore, there was a study in the Lancet I. September which showed that even if you get breakthrough C19 with the vaccine, you are 50% less likely to go on to develop long Covid.

    I got the vaccine. I have no side effects. I am delighted that I have it!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭doxy79




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