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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Unvaccinated can enter anyway with a negative pcr. They can catch covid on the plane from vaccinated people who can contract and transmit covid. They can contract covid in the intervening time between test and boarding.

    The passes for air travel do nothing from an infection control point of view.

    They are nothing more than punishment for those who refused to comply.

    You can dress them up all you like. They are useless from a health point of view. The have no point other than to inconvenience the non compliant and give (some) of the compliant a nice feeling of superiority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,101 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Fair point I suppose , I just feel it extraordinary, the Dail is also a platform for opposition questions , debate, constituency representation etc , all we are hearing at the moment is Government and NPHET narratives on what's going on (IMO)

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    My dark mind would agree with you. However, i do think this time it IS different due to Omicron vs Delta. It looks like the infections, hospital admissions and numbers in hospital will go down rapidly after tye peak in 10-14 days time. Together with the mildness of Omicron i do think the patience of the general public is wearing off. Even within Nphet there is optimism. To counter my own argument i think it is fair to say that the issues due to people not showing up to work because of both Omicron infection and isolation rules might drag the so called staggered approach out for longer than is reasonable, like you mentioned. But in the end i think there will be enough pushback within government parties for a different approach this time. What that exactly entails is anyone's guess but i would say the first thing to go is isolation for close contacts, then a shorter isolation period for those with Omicron infection, then raising the 8pm closure time to 11pm for restaurants while keeping them for wet pubs, no music or other entertaiment until spring/summer. And in any case keep the Covid certs and linkeage to boosters as a way of selling the lifting of those restrictions. Non boosted and/or non vaccinated still fecked, the 'price of freedom' idea. As a musician i try not to feed my dark mind but it still looks like no night gigs for february or even march. As i am also a music teacher with diminishing student numbers i am feeling it deeply. I am not entitled to get compensation for any of this and i know many self employed people in the same leaky boat😩



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    The sec gens of the departments can activate a derogation though if they feel there's critical issues in a number of areas relating to staffing so it takes cabinet out of it altogether along with NPHET



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Par for the course, everyone other than them are the "little people". You just have to look at MUP, ostensibly introduced to curb binge drinking and to boost the health of the nation, yet there still exists a Dail Bar. Yep.... a bar in the workplace. Do as I say not as I do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,679 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    "Hasn't been remotely close to being overwhelmed..."?! Oh, deploying the army to hospitals isn't remotely close to being overwhelmed?! Okay.


    EDIT - ...and we haven't been in lockdown since November.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,101 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    When it comes to civil service perhaps (and I'm not entirelysure they can), but definitely not the wider economic sectors 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,872 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    That's because of staff shortages you might want to add at the end



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Even the daily mail reported how much of a non issue it is. It’s too much for folks here to read past the headline though

    Diana W. Bianchi, M.D., director of NIH’s Eunice Kennedy Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHD), said in a statement: ‘It is reassuring that the study found only a small, temporary menstrual change in women.



    No fertility issues were uncovered at the time, according to an analysis of the data by Dr Victoria Male, a lecturer in reproductive immunology at Imperial College London.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Why do they need to liaise with the EU over internal restrictions?

    It's adding more fuel to the notion that the vaccine pass mandate is coming from the EU



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    By that logic we should ban the obese from entering the country as there is no vaccine or a test that they can take to prove they will not end up in ICU with Covid. I’m sure you would agree to that.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,101 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    You'd imagine it's in relation to the ECDC and perhaps a change in offical advice from them in general for the entire bloc along the lines of the CDC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    200 Army personnel sent to cover sick staff isn’t overwhelmed though is it.

    Overwhelmed is when they’ve more patients than beds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭Blut2


    At no point since July, when the country re-opened, have English hospitals been at capacity (ie full). The data on this bed use is public and easily accessible. By any definition possible they haven't been overwhelmed. They've used army staff to fill 200 staff shortages, in a country of 70 million people, because excessive mandatory covid isolation has effected a tiny regional area.

    Society has been back to normal there now for almost 7 months. Full nightclubs, full stadiums, normal life. While we here in Ireland had 3 weeks of having something close to a restriction free life (but still with masks and other measures in place) in November.

    This despite the fact that England has a much worse risk profile than Ireland, as previously mentioned - more at risk minorities, an older average age, a higher obesity rate, and a lower vaccination rate.

    If we had any sort of decent media in Ireland our government would be being asked repeatedly "why are large sections of our society still locked down while England is free and hospitals are coping perfectly fine?" The evidence is overwhelmingly clear at this stage that we don't need to be locked down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Got to get the nod from the Politburo, can't just go around doing what you want you know.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,201 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Same

    It's not hard to see a slow cautious staggered reopening. Would not surprise me if they wait til after Paddys Day to reopen hospitality fully, we maybe might get back to 10.30pm last orders mid February. God knows with the shower we have in Government who Will once again let NPHET decide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    You are optimistic and yet you think there will still be restrictions in the summer. That is rather the mindset I am talking about, restrictions should be gone within weeks and yet you already know that this will continue to be dragged out, a few crumbs thrown here and there but still limits for months to come. If thats optimism I sure would hate to see the pessimistic view.

    I will hold my tongue on this part: "And in any case keep the Covid certs and linkeage to boosters as a way of selling the lifting of those restrictions."



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Imagine a group of public health experts in a union of states meeting to agree a common approach. Who would have thought a union would involve cooperation. What a ridiculous concept



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,742 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    If internal restrictions are the same across the EU it would boost tourism as people know what to expect when they're on holidays



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,567 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Are you not perhaps missing the point. Those unvaccinated are much more likely should they become infected to require hospitalisation or even ICU care.

    While getting vaccinated may be an inconvenience for some, I can see why countries that are having to deal with the inconvenience of the disproportionate numbers of their own unvaccinated putting pressure on their health systems, would not be particularly bothered about putting pressure on those unvaccinated wishing to visit to get vaccinated before doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Just suppose the powers that be made a slightly bold decision: move the hospitality closing from 8pm to 10pm from mid-January. I would imagine that the increase in custom spread over a greater number of opening hours should not be a significant hazard. Some small steps might be good for morale, and could be reversed if things went badly wrong (unlikely , in my opinion)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Well, let me just say that whatever can be seen as optimistic and pessimistic has to have a relation to a realistic framework. So, to be realistic i proposed a few likely scenarios. It is no use in talking about what should happen unless it has some influence on what might happen. I dont think posting messages on boards.ie will do that. What is more important is that enough people in government circles push back on keeping unreasonable restrictions proposed by Nphet. The government has been able to sell their message with the help of the media and a fearful, compliant public. Once that fear is diminishing my (optimistic) expectation is that the goverment will be more prone to lifting restrictions earlier. It is a balancing act but i suspect a tipping point has been reached. Now it is all about keeping enough restrictions they can get away with while lifting some other ones. I dont know if one would call them 'crumbs'. That would depend on the details. A good start would be raising the 8pm o clock closing time to 11pm for the whole hospitality sector and allow entertainment to happen. But i wouldnt get my hopes up of that happening with a 'staggered, cautious' approach and changes every 3 weeks. In that way i am pessimistic. And yes, i think mask wearing etc will still be with us in summer as will Covid certs and possibly booster QR coupling, especially when organised on an EU level.

    Do i like it...NO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,201 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Seems to be no rush having a meeting about easing restrictions by the powers that be

    A bit laughable and it wouldn't take them that long to call a meeting to impose them

    Post edited by PTH2009 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Got my new Ausweiss today also.

    I was a two dose Moderna guinea pig,and understood I was recieving a Pfizer booster (Hi Albert 😉 )

    However browsing through todays email,I find I've recieved a shot of Spikevax,previously known as Covid-19 Vax Moderna (courtesy of Modema Biotech Spain S.L.)

    Strange thing is my Vaccinator also appeared to believe she was shooting me up with Pfizer's best....at this juncture I could'nt care less.....I'm of the belief now,that the only snake-oil around is what's being pumped into our arms.

    One big Con-Job...keep following the money !! 😀


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,613 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    If you read the accounts of women affected, it's not a non issue and it's not "brief". Many haven't had a period since last year! Women being fobbed off in medicine again, shocker. I guess we are just getting hysterical about it and should just shut up 🙄


    For example

    it's clearly affecting a lot of women and not just "briefly"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Well why would there be a meeting now when the current restrictions are in place until the end of the month ? They've another 3 weeks to run & we all know they'll run that full course. The SI states 30th January 2022 in it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    And they're expecting more next week, but no, our restrictions which were introduced to keep cases low are working according to Micheal Martin...

    Looking at booking confirmatory PCRs and there's 0 availability any time I check, I, and many others like me are putting faith in antigen tests for the moment.

    When PCRs open up again I can see many people booking them as a way of checking if they had it this week or last so case numbers will be high for a while to come and hospital numbers should be dropping at the same time



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