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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    asthma as an underlying condition is quite low risk as far as these things go - HPSC reports from last year (they stopped publishing) show that pre-vaccine only 2% of the deaths with underlying condition were due to asthma, compared to over 40% with heart disease. 2% of ~80% of deaths were due to asthma. So again it is incredibly unlikely that a load of healthy 30 year olds were dying every week

    I agree 100%. So what qualifies you to make all these statements on boards? What qualifications do you have to state that (in spite of the evidence against) that loads of "previously healthy" 30 year olds were dying every week?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    What is the total WEEKLY admission rate at present? and what is the average length of stay? What was the incidence of staff leave at the time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    I do not imagine that the Professor of ICU would lie on a national media broadcast.

    if the comorbidity was just obesity or mild asthma, would you not consider these people previously healthy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭the kelt


    No a family member is an icu nurse and to be honest you wouldnt like to hear what she has to say cos it wouldnt fit in with your narrative.

    In her opinion the government/HSE have been appalling in their handling of this pandemic. From the millions wasted on substandard PPE along with the refusal to mandate masks for the public and on top of that sending infected patients out to nursing homes. Their refusal to use antigen testing for months is another thing she has issues with.

    Is she busy, no because shes at home due to outdated isolation policies which again she is fuming over. When she is allowed to work is it busy, yes it is she admits. It is flat out busy because of a lack of staff but as shes says herself "its been that way for all her career and there was no virtue signallers clapping her before COVID came along" She ahs been this busy her entire career because the powers that be have ignored their own reports made over a decade ago that concluded we need to vastly increase our icu capacity and beds but hired more admin staff than they do healthcare workers

    From 2018

    So yes they are under pressure and have been all their careers, but no one gave a damn before COVID and she wouldnt be long tellin ye that! According to her though its nothing compared to last january and would be much more manageable if they were just allowed work.

    Where was the admiration and concern before COVID?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 870 ✭✭✭jams100


    Genuine question, is this article implying that new variants won't emerge if everyone was vaccinated?

    How does that work if I as a vaccinated person can still contract it? Surely it can and will mutate anyway? I've seen this sort of headline multiple times

    Does vaccination stop new variants or just reduce the likelihood of them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,613 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Around 900 per week. Discharges are 600 pw so stay is a bit over a week currently and I world expect discharges to tick up quite a bit in the coming week or so Flu is non existent this winter with just 37 reported cases nationally last week so that's having negligible impact on hospitals. Check the HSE dashboard. No idea of staff leave but sensible isolation rules would sort that out quickly. In addition the HSE has always had issues with staff absence anyway.

    The hospitals are busy, very busy, but we've been here before every winter for decades. You and others are making this out to be an exception, unfortunately it's very much the norm for Irish hospitals in the winter.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭VillageIdiot71


    No imagination needed, just review the facts above. And, as before, he's fibbing rather than lying. You have to contend that pretty much no-one aged under 44 that died had an underlying condition - in a context where 84% of deaths are to folk with underlying conditions.

    Hard to be wrong on the internet, but I'm afraid you are. Medical folk are telling fibs, because they seem to think that's the way to be persuasive. They really shouldn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    A friend of my daughter has had it twice, once during the Summer and again recently and double vaccinated in between. Second dose was much milder but I wouldn't be inclined to exclude anyone who had recovered or fully vaccinated from being considered a close contact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,193 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    HSE says that current figures show that 51% of Covid19 patients in ICU are not vaccinated

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,455 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Hospital absenteeism is an issue because of an outdated isolation policy by Nphet and the government.

    The vast majority of healthcare staff are isolating at home relaxing catching up on TV programmes.

    We the people don't need to be sensible it is time for the government to be sensible and update the isolation policy in line with Omicron.

    It is the government who are putting the hospitals under unnecessary extra pressure not the general public or healthcare workers who want to work but are not allowed by the government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,154 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I'm saying he's fibbing, not lying (there's a huge difference)

    Is there? I wasn't aware...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,568 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    I am noticing more and more people not wearing masks in supermarket settings these days. And none of this covering their mouths with a scarf or something pulled over them as if they genuinely forgot one either.

    Including one woman earlier, in a tracksuit that would identify her as a howiya from a mile away, who told her partner out loud "I threw this jacket on me as it's cold and I'm not wearing any underwear" as they both proceeded to walk in the "exit" door of Tesco with no masks. Begs the question: what the eff was she wearing before she threw on the jacket?

    Each to their own and all that, and while I wouldn't agree with most of the restrictions, masks are literally the easiest one to adhere to. They can't all have medical issues that make them exempt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,495 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    they do cater for all, that's why they are struggling, it's actually completely normal to pass judgement on people that end up in hospital , drunk people out on the town etc clogging up resources have always been frowned upon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    I guess stupid us as stupid does.

    All it will take us one ill person (not even necessarily CoViD, plain old seasonal influenza or RSV that's been doing the rounds recently will do) and everyone in the office could be out for a week or two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,715 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    If it all goes wfh there will be alot of job losses in Ireland as our jobs go abroad to countries in cheaper countries to live in. If you now want wfh in case of catching any illness you will end up with a very weak immune system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so



    TBH there's a lot of speculation in the article about whether we would get something like Delta or Omicron. The thinking behind this article is that if you have large unvaccinated populations it is a perfect opportunity for a variant of concern to emerge.

    The virus mutates regularly but producing a VOC like this usually requires plenty of hosts, in particular hosts who are immunocompromised or who have very weak immune systems where it can reside for long periods.

    By vaccinating the rest of the world more fully you reduce that potential pool and therefore reduce the risk of another troublesome variant appearing. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,066 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck




  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We're at the point where we can't even call a lie a lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,455 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Have we a breakdown of the status of these people?

    How many of these people are in ICU before they were eligible for the vaccine?

    How many of these people were advised against a vaccine because they were not strong enough to take it?

    We have 46 unvaccinated people in ICU in the whole country, I very much doubt many if any are young and healthy.

    I assume we are bring provided with this information but I have no idea if we are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    You are right in your thinking, anyone saying otherwise is full of crap.

    There are now several animal species that act as reservoirs for covid, so it will circulate indefinitely even if we had 100% vaccine coverage.

    Although we already know that vaccinations dont stop the spread either, so covid will continue to circulate in humans indefinitely too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭VillageIdiot71


    I think that's well established. For example, this release breaks down the monthly position up to November last.

    Two points seem to stick out for me. As the release shows, in November about 7% of people were unvaccinated. They accounted for about 20% of hospital admissions with covid, and about 42% of ICU admissions (similar order of magnitude to the 51% figure). They also account for about 15% of deaths with Covid.

    For some reason, deaths of vaccinated with Covid actually exceed ICU admission - so significant numbers of such folk clearly don't get admitted to ICU - maybe they're nursing home residents. I really don't know.

    The thing I suspect makes the vaccine a hard sell to the remaining unvaccinated population is, whatever about the percentages, the number afflicted are low. In November, there were 306,760 unvaccinated people; 306,738 of them didn't die with Covid in that month. 306.689 of them weren't admitted to ICU with it, and 306,479 of them weren't admitted to hospital. And I suspect, at some level, over 300,000 of them know that.

    Your tread must be light and sure, as though your path were upon rice paper. Fragile as the wings of the dragon fly, clinging as the cocoon of the silk worm. When you can walk its length and leave no trace, you will have learned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    precisely.

    you do you.

    leave the pronouncements for everyone else to be vaccinated, restricted etc please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭VillageIdiot71


    Totally off topic, but that reminds me of bringing someone to A&E a few years back. In the cubicle next to us, there was a woman drug addict receiving treatment (for an ailment not directly related to drugs, but likely consequent on pursuit of that lifestyle - there's no secrets in A&E).

    I was hugely struck by the respect and patience that the doctor gave her; how it should be, and wonderful to witness goodness in such places.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,168 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    That Ann rabbit one is still useless at media even after the Stephanie prisener training that we the taxpayers funded !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,278 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Which is why i wrote anyone who tested positive in December !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Completely agree and well articulated. Mother Nature has provided the solution and we are just going to have to work with her.

    I think the narrative around 'Living with Covid' will change very soon. We'll probably look to Israel for guidance on how to live with this virus.

    My guess is an optional Covid vaccine will be encouraged every Sept/Oct and possible Jan/Feb for over 50s. The U-50s will be able to take the vaccine if they wish but I imagine take up will mirror the flu jab.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,742 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Some of them have underlying conditions yes ....asthma is one common underlying condition in young people who get pneumonia for example .

    You don't know what you are talking about and you have the absolute cheek to say that somebody who is an expert in his area is lying / fibbing whatever you want to call it !

    Some of you need to just go away and talk to yourselves in the mirror because you just don't believe anybody else ...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,193 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭VillageIdiot71


    ? But, sure, it’s nothing to do with belief. The simple fact is there haven’t been enough fatalities of people aged under 44 for there to have been weekly deaths of healthy 30 year olds.

    That’s just how it is, it’s not a situation of my making.

    Shouldn’t we at least agree it’s good that so few younger people have died?



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